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   From: sanlyn@worldnet.att.net   
      
   "Founding Father"  wrote in message   
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   >   
   > "David Schwartz"  wrote in message   
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   > > Wow, Founding Daddy, you are one angry dud, I mean dude.   
   > >   
   > > And you are quite anti-American, seeing as how you hate about half the   
   > > people in this country.   
   > >   
   > > I'm voting Democratic in 2004, and if you don't like it, you can go live   
   > in   
   > > some other country, that is more to your liking.   
   >   
   > And what will you do if Bush wins big?   
   >   
   > The Founding Fathers were angry too, stupid.  And they started a shooting   
   > war over far less government oppression than the left imposes on us today.   
   >   
      
   Your posts are the most incredibly confused ravings seen here   
   in a while.  Frankly, I don't believe anyone could be this thick   
   unless they're just joking around and fishing for comments.   
      
   --SJR   
      
   > >   
   > > "Founding Father"  wrote in message   
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   > > >   
   > > > "SJR"  wrote in message   
   > > > news:VM9Vb.194865$6y6.3770472@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...   
   > > > > "Founding Father"  wrote in message   
   > > > > news:oN%Ub.78$ek7.88639@news.uswest.net...   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Whitewater and Clinton's abuse of women - including rape - was   
   > > > > insignificant   
   > > > > > compared to his treachery of selling nuclear missile technology to   
   > the   
   > > > > > Chinese communists, letting Osama go several times and getting   
   > > suckered   
   > > > by   
   > > > > > N. Korea into letting them develop nukes.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > (And if any feminoid wants to take issue with the first part of my   
   > > > > > statement, I suggest she take it up with N.O.W. and all the other   
   > > > > so-called   
   > > > > > "women's groups" that gave Clinton a pass on all that.)   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Brother, you are REALLY out of date!  N.O.W. ?  Maybe you should   
   > > > > tackle that 10-year stack of old newspapers and start catching up.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Selling secrets? Oh, my, the skillet's calling the pot a kettle   
   again.   
   > > We   
   > > > > could   
   > > > > sit here for months trading charges back and forth about who   
   blundered   
   > > > > where.  I'd be a little careful about continuing to bring up old   
   > > bullshit   
   > > > > instead of facing up to the present disaster -- but, now that you've   
   > > > opened   
   > > > > the box, let's talk about our buddy in Iraq.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Mr. Saddam Hussein was armed, trained in underground warfare and   
   > > > > bombing tactics, trained in spying, bombing techniques, and provided   
   > > > > with bacteriological weapons and the technology for making them, in   
   > > > > 1984.  The guys who provided this generous assistance were none   
   > > > > other than Ronald Reagan, George H. W, Bush, and a seriously   
   > > > > dishonest bullshit artist by the name of Donald Rumsfeld, Saint   
   > > > > Ronald's Secretary of Defense, who furnished Mr. Hussein with an   
   > > > > additional 60 agents from the Defense Intelligence Agency to teach   
   > > > > him how Americans spied and waged war.  Reagan, Bush, and   
   > > > > Rumsfeld did all this in order to wage yet another Bush-misdirected   
   > > > > campaign against an enemy who never even got close to us short   
   > > > > of taking some hostages -- Iran. And they brought these gifts to   
   > > > > Saddam only months after he used gas on his own people!  Little did   
   > > > > Washington know, because of former CIA boss G.H.W. Bush's   
   > > > > antiquated intelligence policy, that the bad guys in the late 80's   
   who   
   > > > > were starting to build terrorist networks were not in Iran or Syria.   
   > > > > They were in Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan.   
   > > >   
   > > > It was Jimmy Carter - a Democrat, of course - who paved the way for   
   > > militant   
   > > > anti-American Islamofascism with his moronic mishandling of Iran.   
   First   
   > > he   
   > > > greased the skids for the Shah's ouster and the rise of Ayatollah   
   > Khomeini   
   > > > and the rest of the insanely fanatical mullahs.  Then he gave the Shah   
   > > > sanctuary, leading to the seizure of the American embassy and the   
   > > > humiliating 404 days of being held hostage.  It was Carter's feckless   
   > > > cowardice in dealing with these thugs that convinced Muslims that the   
   > U.S.   
   > > > was weak.   
   > > >   
   > > > So when Iran and Iraq went to war against each other, the U.S. made   
   the   
   > > > reasonable decision that Iran was a greater threat and provided some   
   > > > assistance to Iraq - just as FDR decided (incorrectly in that case)   
   that   
   > > > Hitler was a greater threat to America than Stalin and aided the   
   latter   
   > > > against the former.   
   > > >   
   > > > That's what happens when the U.S. is not strong enough to fend for   
   > itself   
   > > > and has to make alliances with disgusting despots.  Since Reagan won   
   the   
   > > > Cold War (with most Democrats - Kerry included - actively opposing   
   him),   
   > > the   
   > > > U.S. has had the capacity to be that strong.  But most of the   
   Democrats,   
   > > > particularly Clinton, and even some Republicans who would rather buy   
   > votes   
   > > > with unconstitutional federal social welfare programs, have prevented   
   > > that.   
   > > >   
   > > > And if it were not for Carter's weakness against the Soviet Union,   
   they   
   > > > might not have invaded Afghanistan, which started the Mujahadeeh   
   going,   
   > > bin   
   > > > Laden among them.   
   > > >   
   > > > And perhaps if the Democrats had not waged jihad against our   
   > intelligence   
   > > > services, we might have had some better idea what was going on among   
   > > Middle   
   > > > East fanatics.   
   > > >   
   > > > It would be nice if we were energy independent and could tell Saudi   
   > Arabia   
   > > > to kiss off.  If left wing environmental nuts had not destroyed our   
   > > nuclear   
   > > > energy programs and kept us from developing our own resources we could   
   > be   
   > > > close.   
   > > >   
   > > >   
   > > > When it comes to national security, every single Democrat president   
   > since   
   > > > Truman, who had the guts to drop two A-bombs on Japan and saving   
   > hundreds   
   > > of   
   > > > thousands of lives, both American and Japanese, has been a pitiful   
   > coward   
   > > in   
   > > > the face of threats to this country.  And Kerry will be even worse.   
   If   
   > > John   
   > > > F'ing Kerry is elected, we will be turning U.S. military to the f'ing   
   > > > French, who base their foreign policy decisions on who offers them the   
   > > > biggest bribes.   
   > > >   
   > > > > Every time I hear an ignorant right-wing parrot point to the   
   excesses   
   > > > > of someone other than another ignorant right-wing parrot, I can   
   > > > > find a ton of charges to levy against the right.   
   > > >   
   > > > It's easy when you make them up or ignore what led to having to make   
   > > choices   
   > > > between the lesser of two evils.   
   > > >   
      
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