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   In news:RJUXb.27935$1S1.4193@nwrddc01.gnilink.net,   
   CH attempted to impart some wisdom, instead sputtering:   
      
   : .impervious wrote:   
   :: In news:6fSXb.14629$5W3.4187@nwrddc02.gnilink.net,   
   :: CH attempted to impart some wisdom, instead sputtering:   
   ::   
   :::: You   
   :::: don't. In fact, Clinton prevented an attack.   
   :::   
   ::: And just which attack was this? Can you elaborate?   
   ::   
   :: i, for one, would be glad to.  Clinton prevented attacks on the UN   
   :: Headquarters in New York, the Lincoln and Holland Tunnels, the FBI   
   :: Building, the Israeli Embassy in D.C., the LA and Boston airports,   
   :: the George Washington Bridge, and the US Embassy in Tirana, Albania   
   :: (which is considered American soil).  also, there was the much-hyped   
   :: Millenium Bomber...  Clinton took out al-Qaeda cells in more than 20   
   :: countries, and CREATED a national security post to oversee and   
   :: coordinate all federal counterterrorism activity.  his first and   
   :: second crime bills were practically entirely comprised of   
   :: anti-terrorism legislation, and he created a national stockpile of   
   :: drugs and vaccines in case of biological or chemical attacks.  after   
   :: the Embassy bombings, Clinton issued a Presidential Directive   
   :: authorizing the assassination of Osama bin Laden.  by any measure, he   
   :: was the first President to aggressively tackle the problem of   
   :: terrorism.   
   :   
   : Looks like he kinda missed the boat on al queda though and that is my   
   : point. al queda should have been taken out during Clintoon's term not   
   : covered up with a bunch of federal funding. When you only take   
   : defensive measures when you are being attacked...it looks like he   
   : kinda missed the boat.   
      
   did he miss the boat kind of like, say, Bush?  i mean, what do you want?   
   the capture of Osama?  Bush hasn't done that, either.  a complete end to   
   terrorism worldwide?  nope for Bush, either.  would you settle for a   
   reduced risk of terrorists attacking us?  well, i guess Bush nearly has   
   him beat, there...  he did, after all, capitulate to Osama's number one   
   demand and remove our troops from Saudi Arabia.   
      
   Clinton aggressively pursued terrorists.  period.  not just defensively,   
   but offensively.  he took decisive measures to prevent and punish   
   terrorist attacks both here and abroad.  to claim otherwise is to   
   attempt to re-write history.   
      
   ::  wanna guess who thought up the idea of a Department of   
   :: Homeland Security?  wanna guess who scoffed at the notion?   
   ::   
   :: were you even LIVING here at the time?  i mean, do you fucking know   
   :: anything at all?  or have you just picked up the party lie - i mean,   
   :: line - that Clinton sat on his ass while terrorists took over the   
   :: world?   
   ::   
   :: there IS NO TERRORIST THREAT.  Bush rules through fear, and that's   
   :: why you think he's out there fighting terrorists...  he's not.  he's   
   :: certainly not preventing anything.   
   :   
   : Then why am I not scared? You watch waaaaaay to much TV   
   : dude...........   
      
   if you're not scared, it's because there is no terrorist threat.  what   
   does television have to do with my statement?   
      
   :: look at it this way:   
   ::   
   :: in the year 2000, your chances of dying in a terrorist attack on the   
   :: US were a big, fat zero.   
   ::   
   :: in the year 2002, your chances of dying in a terrorist attack on the   
   :: US were a big, fat zero.   
   ::   
   :: in the year 2003, your chances of dying in a terrorist attack on the   
   :: US were a big, fat zero.   
   ::   
   :: the only year you did have a chance was in 2001, and your chances   
   :: were still 1 in 100,000.   
   ::   
   :: in 2001, you had a greater chance of dying:   
   ::   
   :: - from pneumonia (1 in 4,500)   
   :: - by suicide (1 in 9,200)   
   :: - in a homicide (1 in 14,000)   
   :: - in a car accident (1 in 6,500)   
   ::   
   :: where was the government?  why wasn't anyone freaking out about this   
   :: apparent pneumonia epidemic?  where were the Orange Alerts?  why   
   :: didn't we bomb anybody?  looking at just the suicide rate, it means   
   :: we were a greater danger to OURSELVES than terrorists were to us in   
   :: 2001.   
   :   
   : ha-ha I find it a little pathetic that you do not know the difference   
   : between normal causes of death and targeted killing of civilians for   
   : political purposes, you are one of those people that will need to be   
   : shown the dead bodies before you believe that these people are out to   
   : get us. There is 3000 in NY already, how many more will it take   
   : before you realize the implications of being wrong.   
      
   i find it a little more than pathetic that you fail to see that   
   naturally-caused deaths were responsible for far more deaths than   
   terrorism, and nothing was done to prevent them.  i also think it's   
   ridiculous that you can't recognize sarcasm when you see it - i wasn't   
   suggesting there SHOULD have been Orange Alerts for pneumonia...  but   
   crime rates are up since Bush took office - more homicides.  the   
   national deficit is WAY up since Bush took office - more suicides.   
   health care spending is down since Bush took office - more deaths from   
   preventable medical cases.  starting to see a pattern here?   
      
   the point is, this is much like the SARS "outbreak" everyone was so   
   scared about...  it killed fewer people than the flu or malaria, and yet   
   got national attention.  why?  a nation in fear.   
      
   :: you're simply banding together with the rest of the idiots who need   
   :: to be told how to live their lives by the tickers on CNN and FNC.   
   :: watch the FACTS, and stop interpreting them.   
   :   
   : Seems to me you are the one having a hard time interpreting the   
   : facts, like I said you watch waaay to much TV.   
      
   there is no objective reporting on television.  my news comes from   
   facts, not speculation.   
      
   --   
   Some of us feel that Mr. Bush will find the real liars about the Iraq   
   war and about the economy on the same day that O. J. turns up the real   
   murderers.   
   -rbbomber   
      
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