XPost: alt.society.labor-unions, alt.politics.economics, misc.consumers   
   XPost: soc.retirement   
   From: maureen@buttfreezing.cold   
      
   On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 14:33:47 GMT, "Michael Legel"    
   wrote:   
      
   >   
   > wrote in message   
   >news:eoe130pvel4acu83hnn6fon44dptf6ht35@4ax.com...   
   >> On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 17:02:27 -0800, "Rick"  wrote:   
   >>   
   >> >   
   >> >Michael is correct.  The "law" of supply and demand exists   
   >> >only as a concept inside people's brains, and is used by the   
   >> >haves as a lame excuse every time they wish to justify stealing   
   >> >yet again from the have nots.   
   >> >   
   >> >Where was the "law" of supply and demand when our   
   >> >government bailed out the savings and loan industry?  Or   
   >> >Chrysler?  Seems this immutable "law" applies to some of us   
   >> >but not others.   
   >> >   
   >> >Rick   
   >> >   
   >> Rick, the mis-using of gov't to interfere with the rational workings   
   >> of the market doesn't obviate the efficacy of economic laws and   
   >> principles.   
   >>   
   >> Ain't the truth Beautiful!!   
   >>   
   >> Have a Fredrick Hayek kind of day!!   
   >>   
   >> Cheerio and Hoo-Raah!!   
   >>   
   >> Dennis, Proud America-Loving NEOCON CAPITALIST, Finest Kind Irish   
   >   
   >The point is that there are NO rational workings of the market.  It is not   
   >rational to allow slave, child, and elder labor.  There are no rational   
   >reasons for human beings to treat each other like animals and excuse the   
   >behavior by blaming the market.  WE control the market.  Period.  If we   
   >allowed "the efficacy of economic laws" Attila the Hun would still be   
   >running the world.  The market says he who has all the gold rules ... do you   
   >want to live that way.  We are headed back in that direction .. .   
      
   Well said !   A free market means the freedom of corporations to do   
   whatever they like, and many of them are doing it...  abusing workers'   
   rights, ignoring the need for safety in the work place, and polluting   
   the environment. There are no controls.   
      
   But hey, the economy is doing well except there are no jobs.  While   
   Clinton created 22 million jobs, Bush has lost 2.7 million.  And don't   
   think there will be any jobs in the future.   
      
   As well as outsourcing middle class jobs, more and more of our imports   
   are either being made by American and other transnational corporations   
   who have sweatshops, neo sweatshops or other lower cost facilities in   
   countries where labor costs are low, low, low.  Dollar stores filled   
   with cheap foreign goods are growing exponentially. And it's not only   
   clothing and the small stuff. China is planning to get into the car   
   market. and the larger electronic stuff.  Soon it will be hard to find   
   labels with "made in America".   
      
   And the tax system doesn't help the workers.  The tax philosphy has   
   changed from the old days when it was designed to keep a strong middle   
   class by distributing enormous wealth from the top echelons of society   
   to public services that benefit all of society .  Nowadays the tax   
   cuts are geared to the rich, many of whom have said they don't want   
   it, e.g. Gates and Buffet.   And the middle class is being eroded   
   while the bottom echelons are becoming more and more destitute as the   
   gap between rich and poor gets ever wider.   
      
   maureen   
      
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