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   Arlen _G_ Holder to pjp   
   Re: Just curious how far your Wi-Fi acce   
   09 Oct 19 20:16:25   
   
   XPost: alt.home.repair, sci.electronics.repair   
   From: _arlen.george@halder.edu   
      
   On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 10:32:27 -0300, pjp wrote:   
      
   > All I really care about is download speed.   
      
   Hi pjp,   
      
   Thank you for your information, where it's nice to converse with someone   
   who has the same or similar WiFi experience as I have, which, we have to   
   admit, is different from the experience most people have.   
      
   For example, we control our modem settings to some extent, whereas, for   
   most people they likely can't even log in as the administrator, to check or   
   change a setting, or to upload firmware, or to change the frequency, or   
   transmit power, or whatever.   
      
   As for what you care about most, I agree that download speed is important,   
   although, for VOIP, jitter is also critical (particularly when it gets over   
   about 10 ms or so).   
      
   Our download speed is often about the same as our uploads - is yours that   
   way? Out here, most (but not all) the WISP advertises symmetric speeds but   
   often the upload can be half the download, but just as often, it's more.   
      
   Who knows why.   
      
   Out here in the mountains, a single tree can encroach into the Fresnel Zone   
   such that neighbors can have drastically different end results, using the   
   same equipment.   
      
   Interestingly, and sadly, just like with Windows, sometimes we have to   
   reboot our "modems" (yes, I know they're not modems, but most people   
   reading this won't know what a transceiver is, nor that it's, essentially,   
   a modem anyway) - just to get our speeds back.   
      
   Why?   
   o I don't know why.   
      
   Maybe someone here who knows more than I do can explain why my speeds jump   
   when I reboot the modem, where, it's kind of just like Windows, in that   
   way.   
   o Why does rebooting the modem instantly "fix" the slow speeds?   
      
   >  I'm happy when I can download   
   > 1Gb in approx an hr. Typical 1/2 hr tv rip takes 20 minutes or so for   
   > 400Kb.   
      
   Thanks for your perspective, which, as I noted, most people on cable   
   wouldn't have the knowledge of, if this conversation weren't public.   
      
   Like you, I'm happy with what I can get, over the air, for my WiFi   
   connection to the Internet - where - I just ran a speedtest (see below),   
   mine are as follows at the moment (but it changes greatly over time of   
   course, depending on the weather, the time of day, etc.):   
      
      
   That's about 24/14, which is kind of typical for me, where it can drop to   
   one tenth that, but rarely get more than double about that speed (which is   
   pretty pathetic if we compare to typical cable speeds - as the transmission   
   of the signal over miles takes its toll on lost & jumbled packets).   
      
   > I sometimes see as much as 1.3MB/Sec doing occassional torrrent   
   > download. Way faster than basic package even though price went up 50%,   
   > speed increase was tenfold so ...   
      
   Thank you for that perspective on torrenting, where, when I torrent, I   
   generally add a VPN to the mix (although truth be told, I'm almost always   
   on VPN anyway, as a matter of habit), where the VPN takes its toll in speed   
   penalties.   
      
   I don't torrent all that often though, where mostly I watch videos on the   
   Android phone (or, with emulation, on Windows, where it runs even faster   
   than on Android due to the memory and CPU advantages of a desktop).   
      
   The beauty of watching videos on Android is that, for free (I only use   
   freeware), we NEVER need a Google Play account (even to subscribe to video   
   channels on YouTube), and better yet, we never see an inserted   
   advertisement on YouTube, and we can download any YouTube video, bar none,   
   at any quality level available, and, better yet, we can strip out the video   
   so as to listen to the audio (which is what I do most), all offline, so   
   that we don't have to worry about our bandwidth coming in fits and starts   
   over the kilometers between our devices and our Internet connection.   
      
   The functionality on Android for such things literally wipes iOS off the   
   face of the earth, where I'll leave it at that, and with this reference:   
      
      
   Given we have slow speeds since our ISP is over the air, it would be nice   
   if this type of freeware existed on the common consumer desktops!   
   o Have you been able to get NewPipe freeware running yet on Windows?   
      
      
   In fact, my cellphone battery was dead where I had to watch a YouTube video   
   on the iOS-based iPad, where it was appalling that iOs users have to see   
   ads in YouTube (even though I use "Music Tube" and "Video Tube", which are   
   'supposed' to suppress the Google ads, which, they do - but they insert   
   their own, which accomplishes nothing useful overall).   
      
      
      
   As noted, the beauty of Android functionality kills that of iOS, even on   
   the desktop, where the Android apps run _better_ on the desktop than they   
   do on Android itself (due to the hardware, of course). (The Mac can't hope   
   to catch up, as the recent admission by Apple yesterday that Netflix iOS   
   app will never be on the Mac shows strategically, for the most popular   
   apps.)   
      
   My point is that video speeds ARE a problem for me, as they are for you,   
   where we just have to be clever about intelligently choosing free apps   
   which easily download the videos (or strip the audio) without any added   
   bandwidth of advertisements.   
      
   > Almost all my house is hard wired using one router and three switches.   
      
   Thank you for that additional information about routers and switches,   
   where, if I snapped a photo of my setup, you'd likely be appalled at the   
   number of routers and switches entangled in the rats nest.   
      
   Basically, when I replace a router, I set up the old router as either a   
   wired repeater or as a wireless repeater, where, interestingly, again, the   
   stellar difference between iOS and Android shows up in spades, when you   
   watch them switch between what are the same access point SSIDs, but   
   obviously quite different BSSIDs.   
      
   As you are likely aware, one of the greatest things about having to figure   
   out how to get our Internet and cellular in a rural area, is that we learn   
   how to diagnose and debug signal strength, noise levels, and bandwidth   
   issues.   
      
   The utilities available on Android, for example, kill those available on   
   the desktops, unfortunately ... such as what I have on my Android phone   
   that I wish were all ported to the desktops (although some are):   
      
      
   Even with free Android emulation on the desktops, the cellphone is better.   
   o Genymotion tutorial I wrote to help others do what I did on a desktop   
      
      
   o Bluestacks tutorial I wrote to help others do what I did on a desktop   
      
      
   o Andyroid tutorial I wrote to help others do what I did on a desktop   
      
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