XPost: alt.home.repair, sci.electronics.repair   
   From: beretta@nun-ya-bizness.com   
      
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   On 10/15/19 9:41 AM, Arlen _G_ Holder wrote:   
      
   >    
   > This is great information that you are fully aware of the WiFi power of the   
   > type of equipment that we've been trying to discuss here as adults.   
   >    
   > What brand do you mostly prefer in your WISP business?   
   > o And what specific model of radios?   
      
   Brand is easy. I prefer Ubiquiti as they deliver the whole package.   
   Equipment, accessories, monitoring, etc.  But, that's not to imply they   
   are the best. I'd say they are the best for my budget and/or situation.   
      
   Lately I've been unhappy with the direction that UBNT is headed so I've   
   been experimenting with Cambium.  The UI is not nearly as polished, but   
   that's not necessarily a negative. I've had serious concerns of late   
   that Ubiquiti is more worried about eye candy and less about firmware   
   stability and have voiced such concerns to them.  I'm not a large   
   operation, but I reckon I have somewhere in the general vicinity of   
   $60,000 of their gear in current deployment. The only reason I mention   
   that is to qualify my experience with them.   
      
   There is no real way to specify models. I suppose I purchase more   
   Litebeam M5s than any other type as I have found them to be a fairly   
   good ROI. But I also have dozens of Rocket M5s, Rocket ACs (PRISM) and a   
   metric ton of Powerbeams (M and AC) deployed. I choose the radio based   
   on the scenario and when at all possible I match links model to model   
   (tower to tower). I've used just about every model of equipment they   
   make (not counting their consumer crap (UniFi and such) in the   
   intervening years and have pretty much standardized on Litebeams, Nanos,   
   Rockets, and PowerBeams.  I have one pair of AirFiber 5x than I never   
   got around to deploying as the piece of shit has no Site Survey function   
   and thus is mostly useless. Waste of $1K....   
      
   >    
   > Here, near where Jeff Liebermann lives (other side of the hill), we all   
   > started with the bullets, and then we trashed them for the nano's, which we   
   > trashed for the 2.4 GHz rockets, and then, finally, we're kind of happy on   
   > the 5GHz rockets.   
      
   I suspect many WISPS followed that exact same path. My own experience   
   mirrors it. I'm also quite familiar with Jeff's postings. He's got a   
   pretty solid amount of experience from what I can tell.   
      
   >    
   > Less noise for sure.   
      
   Those days are over.  The next big thing is going to be 24/60 GHz.   
   Almost all consumer routers now sold are dual frequency and they're   
   eating up the DFS bands which were the last "clean" spectrum we had.   
   Pile that on top of the fact that Ubiquiti can't seem to beat the false   
   DFS detections and...   
      
   The cunts over at Hughes and ViaSat need to be beaten to death with   
   their own severed limbs as their routers default to broadcasting an   
   80MHz signal.  I can push 1.2GBps through an 80 MHz link. Why those   
   assholes are using 80 MHz to move a couple dozen mbps is beyond me. I   
   suspect it's deliberately to fuck over WISPs as the only people who'd   
   have satellite are in the exact territories that WISPs like to cover. A   
   single home, on a mountain top, with Hughes effectively poisons 1/4 of   
   the available spectrum in a given area.  There is no fucking way that   
   was accidental and there's no way that the engineers at ViaSat/Hughes   
   don't have ulterior motives attached to that decision. I am unaware of   
   ANY consumer satellite system that delivers enough mbps to saturate a 20   
   Mhz wide transmission. So one must wonder why they decided to use 300%   
   more spectrum than they need.   
      
   > Since we remove the "old stuff", we end up with a lot of Mikrotik   
   > equipment, but we're mostly Ubiquiti.   
   >    
   > How about you?   
   > o What brand/model equipment do you prefer to erect on rooftops, and why?   
   >    
      
   I never bothered with MikroTik transmitters, beyond an isolated case or   
   two. I do use them exclusively for customer routers and I use a CCR on   
   the head end. Except for the very first transmitter I purchased (I can't   
   recall the manufacturer but it sucked) and a couple of abortive attempts   
   with using consumer grade routers when I first started experimenting, I   
   have been 100% Ubiquiti for RF generation.   
      
   Those days are over now. I'll be deploying my first Mimosa B24s, before   
   the end of the year, as tower-to-tower links.  The high absorption rate   
   of the signals via atmospheric oxygen pretty much guarantees there will   
   not be any more RF interference.  Rain may/may not be an issue but I   
   plan to keep 5GHz links on hot-standby until we go through a few heavy   
   rains (not common in So Cal of course). A few towers I have are just   
   outside the 2 mile limit, so I may have to keep some 5Ghz links in   
   operation, but I'll be working like hell to get towers in between.   
      
   I also plan on deploying a few MikroTik 60Ghz links for towers that are   
   only a few hundred yards apart as I know the rain will fuck with them,   
   but hopefully they'll be able to muscle through it on short links. I   
   already have one set on the bench and am experimenting with it.  As   
   normal, MikroTik's UI sucks fat balls, but......   
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
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