XPost: alt.home.repair, sci.electronics.repair   
   From: _arlen.george@halder.edu   
      
   On Wed, 16 Oct 2019 00:28:50 -0700, Johann Beretta wrote:   
      
   > I've also been using computers since 1979.  I'm not a newbie.   
      
      
   Like you, and like most here, I'm no noob to Usenet either.   
      
   I started with, oh, I guess Masscomp or SunOS, maybe VAXVMS, where we used   
   'rn' and 'tin', where, even today, I use "vi" & telnet as my "client".   
      
   The point to keep in mind is that trolls have always existed   
   o Trolls always prove one thing each time they post   
      
   All I have to do is point to what they trolls themselves wrote to prove it   
   o The trolls swarm like gnats at any Usenet potluck to ruin it if they can   
      
   Who are the trolls who posted _zero_ value in this thread?   
   o Fox's Mercantile  (more than a half dozen times)   
   o trader_4  (more than 14 posts in this thread)   
   o dpb  (two utterly worthless posts in this thread)   
   o Ed Pawlowski  (two completely off topic worthless posts)   
      
   An example of pointing to what these trolls post, look at this:   
   o From: %    
      "i thought he looked like a fake tit"   
      
   Clearly these people did not bring adult value to the Usenet potluck   
   o Hence, the question, always, is "can" they (is it actually "in" them?)   
      
   Think about these facts when we realize how trolls ruin Usenet   
   o People like Fox's Mercantile can't post a _single_ item of on-topic value   
   o Even after having posted more than a half dozen times (all worthless)   
      
   Even as I haven't responded once to trolls from Fox's Mercantile or djb   
   o Yet, like cowardly bullies, they insist on their god-given right to troll   
      
   What is an adult supposed to do about this infestation of trolls?   
   o There is always the option to not feed them (which I clearly tried here)   
   o Yet, that doesn't stop them (Fox's Mercantile _still_ repeatedly trolled)   
      
   Over the years, I've realized, all these trolls _can_ do .... is troll.   
   o They have no adult value to add whatsoever; to any technical topic.   
      
   There are, as I see it, two fundamental use models on Usenet:   
   a. The model I use, which is FAQ style - ask a question & work the answer   
   b. There's the model the trolls use - post nothing of value - for amusement   
      
   Since the trolls like Fox's Mercantile & Ed Pawloski & djb are here for   
   amusement, there's really nothing an adult can do - since they trolled this   
   thread, multiple times, even though they were completely ignored.   
      
   Nothing can stop the gnats from infesting the Usenet potluck.   
   o I tried to swat them away (e.g., trader_4); but they keep coming.   
      
   There are only two kinds of people who posted to this thread:   
   o Those who posted technical value with purposefully helpful intent   
   o And those trolls who prove, by what they post, this is amusement for them   
      
   We're having a serious technical conversation, Johann Beretta   
   o And the trolls are consistently posting their child-like drivel.   
      
   The problem, with Usenet, as I see it...   
   o Is that the trolls insist on proving they have a God-given right to troll   
      
   The good part about Usenet, as I see it...   
   o Is that adults can still share nuggets of useful on-topic tech advice   
      
   I appreciate that YOU clearly have adult on-topic technical value to add   
   o As do others like Jeff Liebermann who contributes greatly to Usenet   
      
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   This thread ascertained what range people are getting today, and then we   
   discussed ways to help obtain vastly greater range (if needed).   
      
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