XPost: sci.electronics.repair, alt.home.repair   
   From: beretta@nun-ya-bizness.com   
      
   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   
   On 10/18/19 2:35 PM, Arlen _G_ Holder wrote:   
      
      
   >    
   > Let's focus our insight on helping people do what we do all the time, OK?   
   > O We throw WiFi easily for a dozen miles, without blinking, Johann   
      
   And that's the goddamn problem and why I don't think you have a clue   
   what you're talking about. You suggest to people to buy a Powerbeam to   
   "throw" wifi to a fucking pool next to the house.  WHY???   
      
   Powerbeams are appropriate for miles long links.  Going less than a   
   couple of miles? Then use a nano loco or a nano.   
      
   You have some sort of fetish with interfering with everyone else's wifi   
   signals?  Goddamn.. there's a limited number of channels.  If I can pick   
   up your pool WiFi 10 miles away, you're doing shit wrong and you're   
   being an asshole.   
      
      
   >    
   > We think differently, Johann.   
   > o I'm more trusting than you Johann.  More innocent.    
   > o I'm always purposefully helpful.   
      
   Bullshit. You're worse than someone who doesn't know what they're doing.   
   You THINK you know what you're doing and you think you're an expert.   
   Then you take it upon yourself you teach your incorrect knowledge to   
   others and when it's pointed out you have a tantrum about how people who   
   correct your WRONG terminology are trolls.   
      
   >    
   > Which is why it bothers me that the common trolls who infest this newsgroup   
   > are the opposite of me, which is that nothing they posts adds any value   
   > whatsoever - and - even ignorning them - doesn't stop them from infesting   
   > the USenet potluck (just look at what the trolls wrote in this thread).   
      
   WTF is it with you and potlucks?  You see any food? It's a discussion   
   group. Same as they have always been.   
      
   >    
      
   >    
   > I think differently than the trolls (e.g., I never troll).   
   > o I think differently than the "semantic expert" (e.g., I add value).   
      
   No, you don't.  You insist on teaching newbies the wrong terms. You're   
   like the electrician telling everyone they want 120 amps when you   
   actually mean volts. If you're going to teach someone, then teach them   
   CORRECTLY.  You aren't doing anyone any favors by confusing them with   
   your terminology. When this person later talks to someone who actually   
   has a clue they're gonna sound like a damn idiot.   
      
   >    
   > And, I think differently than anyone who harranges us on "legal" issues   
   > o When there is zero evidence that pjp is attempting to break the law   
      
   I never said he was. You made the grandiose statement that it was   
   impossible to break the law using Ubiquiti equipment. I showed that's   
   patently false.  They aren't fool-proof devices.  Build an idiot proof   
   device and nature will invent a better idiot. The ONLY reason I brought   
   it up was your asinine statement that it wasn't possible. An EXPERT   
   would have known that it was SIMPLE to do.   
      
      
      
   >    
   > And then we can get back to adding value on Usenet.   
   > o Deal?   
      
   What value? The value of you teaching shit incorrectly?   
   Here's a good rule of thumb. When everyone else thinks you're an   
   asshole, it's the height of self delusion to declare that EVERYONE else   
   is wrong.  That's like the guy who's been married 5 times and says all   
   his exes are "bitches".  One common thread in all those marriages.  The   
   guy!  Likewise, if all these people are "trolls" then you need some self   
   reflection pal.   
      
   >    
   > The guy needs advice on how to throw his WiFi a kilometer   
   > o From his house to his RV    
   > o Where there is only a "hole" in the trees back at the RV   
   > o And where the RV has generator power.   
   >    
   > One place you can help advise pjp (and the rest of us as a result) is how   
   > you'd recommend he "power" the tree radio at the RV.   
      
   I dunno. Maybe that fucking generator he mentioned?   
      
   >    
   > For example, would you recommend just mooching off the RV battery?   
      
   You tell me.  A Powerbeam, if you insist on using it for a lousy   
   kilometer, draws about 10 watts.  You think an RV battery can handle   
   that? You're the expert. You think a 40 or 50 amp-hour battery can   
   handle a 10 watt draw?   
      
      
      
   >    
   > Another question you can help advise pjp on, and, in the process, the rest   
   > of us learn from your advice, is how much power loss is calculatable for   
   > penetrating less-than-dense foliage a distance of a kilometer.   
      
   Good luck with that. Neither you nor I know how dense it is, what the   
   water content of the leaves is.. Etc etc etc.   You try it.  If it   
   doesn't work it doesn't work. If it does work, then it works.   
      
   I'd narrow the beam as much as possible.  As a rule we don't try to   
   transmit through trees. If you have to, then you narrow the signal as   
   much as possible.  RF elements has a whole line of narrow beam horns and   
   dishes.  But, in the end, you try it. This whole process should take   
   less than a couple of hours.  Why waste hours with theory?  Try it.   
      
   Then, if it works, you start dialing the transmit power down, on both   
   radios, until you get it is as low as possible where it still works.   
   Then maybe bump it up a few dbm's so it'll handle some rain.   
      
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