XPost: comp.mobile.android   
   From: andrews@spam.net   
      
   VanguardLH wrote on Sat, 26 Oct 2024 21:06:57 -0500 :   
      
   > Unless Google is changing the high accuracy setting to enabled (along   
   > with enabling wifi geolocation) when they update the OS version,   
      
   Hi Vanguard,   
      
   I really appreciate that you're trying to help and for that you have to   
   understand, but you're at the letter A or B in the alphabet where the   
   question is at the level of the letter S or T in the alphabet in terms of   
   knowledge required to answer the question.   
      
   I could teach you what you need to know, but that's taking away from   
   solving the question. I could write an entire book on what you don't know,   
   in fact, so while I'll patiently answer your questions, you need to realize   
   just doing so detracts from finding out the answer to the question.   
      
   Fair enough?   
      
   The problem with teaching you beginner basics is your questions are   
   completely unrelated to the problem set so each of your questions actually   
   subtracts (not add) from the process of finding out how to spoof the Wi-Fi   
   access point database.   
      
   > I   
   > thought any apps that wanted to change geolocation for themselves would   
   > instigate a popup asking the user for permission.   
      
   What you need to know is it's not the app that is changing the permissions   
   but the google spyware that the apps include, which is called GSF (Google   
   Services Framework). It would take an entire book to explain that to you,   
   so suffice to just say that any app that incorporates GSF (which is many   
   apps!) will subliminally turn on stuff that you don't want turned on.   
      
   Whether or not it "asks" you is in the eye of the beholder becuase they   
   have a zillion ways of popping up stuff and NOT popping up stuff.   
      
   Suffice to say if you did NOT want an app to turn on precise location   
   accuracy, but you wanted ot use the app, the app has ways to turn it on   
   anyway without you knowing it. Sure it pops up a question, but there are a   
   zillion ways it poses that question.   
      
   You have to realize how far behind you are in this quest to find the answer   
   that I'd have to write an entire book to get you to the level Andy is at.   
      
   For your purposes, just assume the app turns on the precise location   
   accuracy without you knowing about it. Personally, a million times I've   
   looked and lo and behold, "something" turned in on for me - and I KNOW all   
   about it. It's that pernicious.   
      
   Teaching you all of this doesn't help to answer the questions in this   
   thread, which is how to spoof the Wi-Fi access point data.   
      
   > For me under an old Android 8.0.0, I go into Android settins -> General   
   > -> Apps & Notifications -> App permissions, where I find 32 of 41 apps   
   > want, and were granted, Your Location permission.   
      
   Please stop thinking that Google is being polite about this.   
   They're not. They do it secretly. Without you knowing.   
   It doesn't matter what you see at any given moment because if you run an   
   app with GSF in it, it will CHANGE what you see.   
      
   For your purpose, assume it's being done secretly as that's the easiest way   
   I can explain it to you without writing an entire book explaining it.   
      
   None of your beginner basics permissions questions help answer the   
   questions in this thread, which is how to spoof the Wi-Fi access point   
   data.   
      
   >  In my old OS, I can   
   > only turn on or off the permission per app.  I cannot configure which   
   > ones get which level of geolocation data (GPS only, networks only, or   
   > GPS & networks).  However, I would surprised if Location Mode changed   
   > from Device sensors only (GPS only) to the other settings, or visa   
   > versa.  But, as I stated, I'm on an old Android version, and there will   
   > never be a newer version for me.  My old phone went unsupported back in   
   > 2019, and LG, the maker, left the smartphone market in 2021.   
      
   Again, this has nothing to do with the problem set of how to spoof the   
   Wi-Fi access point data.   
      
   In my Android 13, I can certainly set which apps have permissions but the   
   fact you're talking about permissions means you don't understand the   
   problem set - which is fine - almost nobody understands it except maybe   
   Andy Burns and me - but it's not about permissions.   
      
   It's about Google secretly turning things on, so to speak, whether or not   
   you "think" you have control over the permissions.   
      
   And as such, since the precise location accuracy is gonna be turned on   
   whether you like it or not, the question in this thread is how to spoof the   
   Wi-Fi access point data.   
      
   > I haven't heard of apps that change the geolocation mode, just those   
   > that want permission to use whatever is enabled.  They might prod for   
   > high accuracy, and may not function properly without it, like a car   
   > locator app, but don't remember any that force a change in the mode.   
   > I've not been hit with malware that might try to do that.  Yet, I can   
   > see how an OS upgrade could screw with settings.  I have read where   
   > users of Windows and Android sometime claim a setting got changed away   
   > from what they configured, but if there was some evil plot to make that   
   > change then everyone would complain.   
      
   The basic problem I have with writing a book for you to answer your basic   
   beginner questions is you just don't have anywhere near the experience to   
   understand the problem set so I will patiently try to explain the problem   
   to you by providing an analogy, which, even as it's factually inaccurate,   
   shows the point.   
      
   I'll try my best to teach you - but this is super beginner stuff.   
   Stuff everyone should know within a week of getting their first phone.   
      
   But I'll try - as hard as I can - to write a short book to help you   
   understand what the problem set is - at the risk of being blamed for not   
   being nice by simply trying nicely to answer your basic questions.   
      
   Here it goes...   
      
   Let's say you never wanted your GPS radio to be turned on.   
   Let's say that some apps secretly turn on your GPS radio.   
   Let's say that they do it in sneaky ways.   
   Legally. Legitimately. But sneaky.   
   They'll ask for example, if you want "better data" or something like that.   
   And you say yes.   
   Bingo! You just turned on your GPS radio.   
   But you didn't even mean to do that.   
   Each app finds a sneaky way to turn on your radio with your permission.   
   But that permission comes in a variety of sneaky ways.   
      
   If that's the case, then what you can do to counter that is simply spoof   
   your GPS data, right?   
      
   You spoof it to the middle of the Golden Gate Bridge. And you ahve it move   
   as if you're walking, by 1 meter per second along the roadway (which teh   
   spoofing apps will do for you).   
      
      
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