XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-10   
   From: andrews@spam.net   
      
   knuttle wrote on Mon, 11 Nov 2024 17:27:36 -0500 :   
      
   >> Having set that baseline, my question is...   
   >>     Q: What are the privacy implications of 802.11az Wi-Fi Ranging?   
   >>     A: ?   
   >>   
   >   
   > Similar to the privacy implication of Satellite GPS (Garmin and others),   
   > and the current cellphone with the tracking app that allows you to   
   > locate the exact position of another phone, and similar systems.   
      
   Remember when Microsoft "_optout_" & Google/Mozilla "_nomap" came out?   
   We had to recover from them scooping up our BSSIDs for public databases.   
      
   Billions of people opt-in out of ignorance.   
   We don't want to be like those morons.   
      
   We are knowledgeable in computers & routers & phones unlike the hoi polloi.   
   So we're private. They're not.   
      
   The reason is we understood the implications of Wi-Fi AP public databases.   
   Therefore, by virtue of our excellent technical knowledge we're not in them.   
      
   Only the unwashed ignorant ill-educated masses are in the public AP databases.   
   But not us.   
      
   When Google vacuumed up the unique BSSID/GPS location of the hoi polloi...   
   Google did NOT get our home router access point in that database.   
      
   Because we're not stupid.   
   We learned the privacy implications and we put countermeasures in place.   
      
   Only the ignorant are in Google's public Wi-Fi access point database.   
   Apple's too. Mozilla too. And Microsoft. Who knows how many others (WiGle).   
      
   But we intelligentsia are NOT in those public privacy-invading databases.   
   Why not?   
      
   Because we put measures in place to prevent being uploaded to them.   
   That's why.   
      
   Same situation here.   
   We will need to better understand 802.11az in order to protect our privacy.   
      
   Much like we must hide our home router broadcast packets for privacy, there   
   may very well be something we need to do for privacy against Wi-Fi Ranging.   
      
   Because of bluetooth trackers in department stores, I habitually turn off my   
   bluetooth, near field & location radios as I get out of the parked car.   
      
   In that case, the privacy implication is nearly zero.   
   All you have to do is turn off your bluetooth radio to remain private.   
      
   Right?   
      
   Actually, I put the phone on airplane mode, but that's the same thing with   
   respect to bluetooth radios - which why I ask about 802.11az Wi-Fi Ranging.   
      
   Q: What should we do on our phones & routers to avoid 802.11az tracking?   
   A: ?   
   --   
   Note every time I mention hiding the broadcast packet for privacy, someone   
   jumps in & says it's not for security. Privacy is different from security.   
      
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