XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-10   
   From: nuh-uh@nope.com   
      
   On 2024-11-12 05:22, Andrews wrote:   
   > knuttle wrote on Tue, 12 Nov 2024 07:26:25 -0500 :   
   >   
   >> To rephrase the above, any device that emits a signal can be tracked and   
   >> located with the proper equipment.   
   >>   
   >> This has been going on since the first electromagnetic signals were sent   
   >> into the air.   
   >>   
   >> The only what that you can avoid tracking to find your location, is to   
   >> turn off,  or get rid of all devices that emit a signal, cell phone,   
   >> pace makers,  etc.   
   >   
   > We have successfully eliminated being tracked in the Wi-Fi AP databases,   
   > so why can't we just as successfully avoid 802.11az Wi-Fi Ranging tracking?   
      
   You've "succeeded" only because the companies that maintain those   
   databases LET YOU succeed.   
      
   And you don't even know WHETHER 802.11az WiFi Range Tracking involves   
   collecting any information FROM your device.   
      
   >   
   > You need to keep the question in perspective since we're NOT talking about   
   > being tracked when you're out in the open, sleeping, driving, or hiking.   
   >   
   > We're talking about being tracked to the half-meter level *indoors*.   
   > Specifically inside of business establishments (who have a motive).   
      
   Ummmmm...not necessarily so.   
      
   By analogy, GPS doesn't track YOU. GPS signals allow your GPS-enabled   
   device to determine its location. The GPS system doesn't get any   
   information about you or your location.   
      
   >   
   > All the morons on earth exclaim "We're doomed to be tracked" simply because   
   > a cell phone, by its very nature, gives out emissions which can be tracked.   
   >   
   > We are not those morons. We are intelligent. We understand technology.   
      
   That is certainly not being demonstrated here.   
      
   >   
   > Which is why this question was being asked *specifically* to better   
   > understand the privacy implications of the specific 802.11az Wi-Fi Ranging.   
      
   There aren't any.   
      
   802.11az has your device send packets to access points and uses the   
   round trip time...   
      
   ...in combination with the known location of the access points...   
      
   ...to triangulate your position.   
      
   The access points have to expose their locations,   
      
   >   
   > This is *new* technology - never before seen in cellphones.   
   >   
   > We are not morons.   
   > We're intelligent people.   
   >   
   > I'm not sure yet what the privacy implications are of this new technology.   
   > But I am sure that giving up and surrendering to it is not my intent.   
   >   
   > Yours shouldn't be either.   
   > We're not slaves. Slaves give up and accept everything done to them.   
   >   
   > We are not slaves to technology.   
   > We control it. Not the other way around.   
   >   
   > This question is the first step in controlling this new technology,   
   > particularly when used by businesses for half-meter tracking of us.   
      
   "The 802.11az standard [1], commonly referred to as next generation   
   positioning (NGP), enables a STA to identify its position relative to   
   multiple access points (APs)"   
      
      
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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