XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, alt.comp.os.windows-10, comp.mobile.android   
   From: ithinkiam@gmail.com   
      
   Marian  wrote:   
   > Chris wrote:   
   >   
   >>>   
   >>> For those wishing to know more about this topic, most people have their   
   >>> router Wi-Fi AP set to broadcast the SSID, which means it's uploaded to   
   >>> world-wide publicly accessible databases whether they like it or not.   
   >>> a. The (unique) GPS location (of the phone uploading it) is uploaded   
   >>> b. The signal strength (of the signal to the phone) is uploaded   
   >>> c. The (unique) BSSID (MAC address) is uploaded - which is essentially you   
   >>   
   >> A router is not a person. At worst it represents a household in the same   
   >> way a postal address does.   
   >   
   > Hi Chris,   
   >   
   > If you move from one home to another, and if you take your router with you,   
   > then the "bad guy" can trace your movements exactly as to time & location.   
   >   
   > They know your exact location & exactly when you changed locations.   
      
   Great. Saves sending all those "we have moved" messages.   
      
   >>> d. The (normally non-unique) SSID is uploaded (with or without _nomap)   
   >>>   
   >>> Every mobile device owned by ignorant/rude people is uploading that privacy   
   >>> to the world-wide publicly accessible databases (which have been abused).   
   >>   
   >> No they haven't. A theoretical observation has been made. There's no   
   >> evidence of "abuse".   
   >   
   > I know what you're talking about,   
      
   No you don't. You said you could track me "if you were a bad guy". I gave   
   you permission and you could do nothing. Your paranoia is  baseless.   
      
   > but most people reading this won't know   
   > that the Apple system (versus the Google system) is atrociously designed.   
      
   You don't "know" it either. All you have is FUD.   
      
   > The way Apple does it is Apple allows hundreds upon hundreds of access   
   > point location information to be downloaded in a single instance by anyone   
   > on the planet, while Google's system is far more constrained in terms of   
   > abuse potential.   
   >   
   > You & I can delve deeper (much deeper) than that astute summary, but that   
   > quick overview of the huge differences between the highly insecure Apple   
   > system and the lousy Google system (more secure, but it still sucks in   
   > terms of privacy) should suffice for most people here unless they ask for   
   > further details.   
      
   They are no different. They will give anyone with access to the API   
   location information based on their wifi AP databases.   
      
   >> While you're at it, the equally rude satellites, google cars, the post   
   >> office and census collectors are also sharing extremely private information   
   >> regarding everyone's houses, where they are and what they look like.   
   >   
   > What you're saying I've heard a lot from people   
      
   You've heard it a lot because you're a crackpot.   
      
   > Privacy is like personal hygiene. You never stop washing your hands.   
      
   Soap is sufficient for 99% of people. You're using bleach driven by fear.   
      
   >> I STRONGLY recommend first wrapping your house in tinfoil (hopefully that   
   >> will smother your *outgoing* connections), then radar opaque paint and,   
   >> finally, camouflage netting.   
   >>   
   >> For extra privacy go live in the woods.   
   >   
   > These are the exact words of sklavin, Chris.   
   >   
   > Many people in history have decided to be a slave; but I'm not one of them.   
   > And more to the point, I do not advocate that people become slaves.   
      
   You're a slave to your dogmatic obsession.   
      
   > You advocate slavery. I advocate freedom.   
      
   Hardly. You have less freedom then I do.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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