XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10, comp.mobile.android, misc.phone.mobile.iphone   
   From: robin_listas@es.invalid   
      
   On 2025-12-02 21:35, J. P. Gilliver wrote:   
   > On 2025/12/2 16:26:18, Marian wrote:   
   >> Carlos E.R. wrote:   
   >>>> Disable remote administration to your router (duh) & use HTTPS for login.   
   >>>   
   >>> That removes the warranty. Seriously. My router is remotely managed by   
   >>> my ISP. Not via plain ssh login, they have their own dedicated channel.   
   >>   
   >> Hi Carlos,   
   >>   
   >> Thanks for adding the missing information that the router may be managed by   
   >> the ISP, which, of course, somewhat changes what you can and cannot do to   
   >> effect better privacy/security.   
   >>   
   >> I'm actually surprised, Carlos, that the ISP manages "the router", where I   
   >> would NOT be surprised if the ISP manages "the modem" (even as I'm well   
   >> aware that router:modem combinations exist (which may be what you have).   
   >>   
   >> In my case, I don't have a modem since I get my Internet from a dozen miles   
   >> away over the air via WISP, but my "rooftop transceiver" is managed by the   
   >> WISP (although he gives me his password so that I can make changes).   
   >>   
   >> Most people in the USA don't have a transceiver like I do; they have a   
   >> modem, and some people have a modem which is combined into a router.   
   >>   
   >> I am unfamiliar with that setup personally, since I've never owned a modem,   
   >> but I've bought them for my kids when they moved into apartments, so I'm   
   >> familiar with the concept that you seem to be speaking about.   
   >>   
   >> Thanks for adding the extra value so that everyone on the team benefits.   
   >   
   > I don't know about the USA, but in the UK, a lot of users have _one_   
   > whitish box, which connects to the 'phone line, and contains the MoDem,   
   > router, hub, wifi, ... you name it, it's in that box. Common parlance -   
   > including from the ISPs who usually supply the box - is to (mis)name   
   > that box the "router".   
      
   Absolutely.   
      
   It also connects to the TV decoder. The configuration of the router is   
   complex and not documented (!). It has settings to handle TV and phone   
   service. When I call for service I know they get in during the call and   
   check or do things   
      
   >   
   > They usually (since the ISP supplies them) have a version of the   
   > manufacturer's software, tweaked to suit the ISP. I'm not _aware_ of any   
   > that are remote-flashed by the ISPs, but it wouldn't surprise me.   
      
   I highly suspect mine do, but not 100% certain.   
      
      
   >   
   > I don't _think_ most ISP contracts say you _have_ to use their "router",   
   > though there may be some that do; however, the majority of users _do_,   
   > since it's generally supplied "free" by the ISP, and also if anything   
   > goes wrong - or is _suspected_ of going wrong - the ISP's support desk   
   > (which aren't great at the best of times) are likely to tell you you're   
   > on your own if you're not using their "router".   
      
   Oh, absolutely.   
      
      
   --   
   Cheers, Carlos.   
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