XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, alt.comp.os.windows-10   
   From: robin_listas@es.invalid   
      
   On 2025-12-02 18:56, Marian wrote:   
   > Winston wrote:   
   >> It'll be interesting to see if/how that means Amazon Sidewalk design   
   >> and devices constitute widespread unauthorized access.   
   >>   
   >> Sidewalk devices use Ring doorbell and Amazon Echo devices as routers   
   >> and are allowed to use up to 500MB worth of data from each such router.   
   >> The owners of these devices are not allowed to see who their devices   
   >> connect to (either direction).  Furthermore, Sidewalk device connections   
   >> are enabled and allowed by default ("opt out", not "opt in"), so this   
   >> will, in many cases, happen without the Ring/Echo owner's knowledge,   
   >> understanding, or explicit consent.   
   >   
   > Hi Winston,   
   > I was unaware of this. I'm on Amazon Vine so I get all sorts of cameras for   
   > free but I noticed all of the cameras on Vine went to the Internet instead   
   > of ONLY to your router or only to the sd card on the camera itself.   
      
   Well, it is the only way to do it (commercially), meaning watching the   
   camera while not at home.   
      
   You could use safe cameras that do not connect to internet on their own,   
   but instead need a local server inside the same LAN. And to connect from   
   outside you would have to create a setup that includes either an   
   external server, or a dyndns address pointing to your home.   
      
   Possibly these cameras are more expensive. They do exist, it is what any   
   entity in Europe would have to create for security cameras within the   
   privacy laws. I don't know how to find them on Amazon, what search text.   
   Maybe USB cameras.   
      
   And by the way, it would be possibly to do this commercially if IPv6 is   
   deployed, without using their external server.   
      
      
   Only to the SD card might be possible if you do not hire their external   
   storage and disable mobile phone use. But many cameras do their initial   
   configuration via an Android App. If there is registration, bad.   
      
   ...   
      
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   Cheers, Carlos.   
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