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   From: marianjones@helpfulpeople.com   
      
   Frank Slootweg wrote:   
   >> quite likely change all settings and do firmware updates, reboots   
   >   
   >   Also of the router part, i.e. router settings, passwords, IP settings,   
   > etc.?   
   >   
   >   If so, how is the user's ('LAN') still his/hers and still secure? How   
   > about the user being liable for any abuse/misuse from the ISP's side/   
   > personel?   
      
   I agree with anyone who presents a logically sensible statement, no matter   
   who they are, where I'm incredulous that the ISP will be "messing with" the   
   router since, as Frank astutely noted, that's the purview of the LAN owner.   
      
   In my case, my rooftop transceiver (which we can call a "modem") is   
   maintained by my WISP where he never touches my router. I have, oh, I don't   
   count them, but maybe a dozen routers connected to his service, and I   
   maintain them all (some are set up as access points, others as bridges, and   
   others as repeaters). I maintain them for many of my neighbors also.   
      
   What ISP will be willing to do all that to the home owners specifications?   
       
      
   >>>    Over time (some 20+ years), my modem/router devices have either been   
   >>> installed by an on-site technician (probably two times) or by myself,   
   >>> i.e. they ship a replacement modem/router (sometimes with things like   
   >>> cables, adapters, outlets, etc.) and I install it (probably three or   
   >>> more times).   
   >>   
   >> I generally start with the ISP's device, then migrate to my own device,   
   >> but the I've stayed with same ISP since 2004   
   >   
   >   Over time, I have used two of my own routers. The first one was   
   > needed, because the modem only had one hardwired connection. The second,   
   > because the first was too slow (bps). After that, I've used the ISP's   
   > built-in routers because they offered sufficient functionality. And yes,   
   > also since about that time (March 2003 actually).   
      
   Where I live we have 40-acre zoning, so every property has to be a minimum   
   of 40 acres, where if you don't have a bunch of radios scattered about, you   
   won't be able to use the Internet at a barn or stable or at the pool, etc.   
       
      
   While rooftop/treetop radios are common here in the Santa Cruz Mountains   
   above Silicon Valley/Santa Cruz, I can't imagine we're the only people who   
   need to use our Internet many hundreds of feet from the incoming feed.   
      
   I can't imagine any ISP/WISP willing to do all that private LAN setup.   
      
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