XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, alt.comp.os.windows-10, comp.mobile.android   
   From: marianjones@helpfulpeople.com   
      
   Chris wrote:   
   > You're replying to Carlos.   
      
   Thanks for pointing out that I often confuse Carlos with you for some odd   
   reason, which I apologize for. As I've explained many times, I wrote my own   
   newsreader long ago so that I could pop up the edits in vi (later gVim).   
      
   So I don't see anything in the header unless I take pains to look.   
   However, the "attribute" line shows up, so I can see some identifiers.   
      
   > "A fool and his money are soon parted."   
      
   I agree, and, you'll note, that in the last three decades of using   
   computers, the only apps/programs I've ever need to pay for are:   
    a. The company paid for MS Office (which I'm still using)   
    b. The company paid for Adobe Acrobat writer (which I'm still using)   
    c. Every year I buy at Costco on sale in December their TurbuTax   
      
   That's it. Even all my phones have been free lately.   
   All I had to do was pay the sales tax on them.   
      
   I even get many tens of thousands of dollars of Amazon items for free.   
       
      
   Many people calculate that the Amazon Vine members are two in a million.   
      
   Amazon gives me tens of thousands of dollars of "stuff" for free   
   (although the deal is that they require me to write reviews for them).   
      
   Of course, I have to pay income taxes on the MSRP of everything I get from   
   Amazon so while there are no price limits per se, that limits what I get.   
      
   In summary, I get much of what other people pay for, for free.   
   As you stated, if you're intelligent, everything turns out to be free.   
      
   Never make the mistake to think that I'm anything like you are.   
      
   >> Wouldn't that be ironic!   
   >   
   > "Hoisted by your own petard." Tragic.   
      
   Well, never make the mistake of ever thinking I'm anything like you.   
   I care deeply that other people get the benefit of all that I learn.   
      
   In this case, I'm determined to find out the answer and then make sure   
   people on the Internet LEARN the answer that I work hard to find out.   
      
   That's where I differ from most people.   
   I'm trying to always spread the knowledge.   
   >   
   > An alternative is that the "_nomap" flag only works going forward and   
   > doesn't require Apple/Google/etc to remove existing db entries already   
   > captured.   
      
   I won't try to dig up the references, but I'm of the understanding that   
   Google will "scrub" the nomap BSSIDs within weeks of them disappearing.   
      
   The real question is what is Apple's policy when *both* nomap and a hidden   
   SSID are encountered since Apple is well aware of both circumstances.   
      
   Personally, I consider this class-action-suit worthy.   
   But I'm not a lawyer. When I find one who is interested, we'll find out.   
      
   But that's for the future.   
   For now, we need to figure out what has happened.   
      
   >> Since I'm a well-educated scientist and engineer   
   >   
   > You are neither.   
      
   Heh heh heh...   
      
   The good news is my ego is not tied up in what you think of me.   
   My ego is tied up in how much valuable info I impart to others.   
      
   Never think I'm anything like you.   
      
   > Just hack the MAC or get a new router.   
      
   It's not easy to "hack the mac" so that's out of the question.   
   I got my router for free but I have no intention of changing it out.   
      
   > If you were in the EU/UK you could demand them to delete the information   
   > under GDPR. But apparently you prefer your version of "freedom" and this   
   > isn't the american way.   
      
   I get the political dig, where I don't disagree that, in the USA, the   
   government favors the corporation being ruled by supply & demand.   
      
   The US government feels, for the most part, that if Apple breaks the rules,   
   people will stop buying Apple products, but it turns out that Apple is   
   brilliant at counteracting that with their marketing propaganda.   
      
   But at this point, all we know is Apple put my BSSID in its WPS database   
   even though I clearly told Apple not to put my BASSID in its WPS database.   
      
   That's all we know for sure.   
   A lot more digging needs to be done before I go to the lawyers.   
   I've never sued anyone in my life (nor ever have I been sued).   
      
   SO this will be uncharted territory for me.   
   But what I care about is what drives me.   
      
   Apple has no business morally or legally holding my BSSID in their db.   
   Apple's brazen lies will have huge legal moral and privacy implications.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)