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   From: marianjones@helpfulpeople.com   
      
   Char Jackson wrote:   
   >>> In the early 2000s I used to think that dd-wrt router firmware was   
   >>> complex, but the fog clears over time. It includes vlans, among many   
   >>> other things.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>When I say that my ISP setup of the router is complex, I mean things   
   >>like that the setup includes 3 active VLANs, and more things. If I buy   
   >>my own router, first I have to decode out the entire setup of the old   
   >>router, and then replicate it in the new router. Ie, create again those   
   >>3 VLANs, and every other thing they did, which are not documented. You   
   >>have to reverse engineer the setup of the provided router.   
   >   
   > I don't see anything complex about setting up consumer networking gear,   
   > but I'll take your word for it.   
      
   I agree with Char Jackson, who has helped me over the years to set up old   
   Linksys & Netgear routers on DD-WRT as bridges (and as bridge repeaters).   
      
   As Char Jackson noted, working with routers is something we've done since,   
   oh, I don't know, about 2002 when the first Linksys WRT-54G was released.   
       
      
   In the early days the WRT-54G had enough memory to flash DD-WRT on it   
   so we learned a lot when we retired the router & repurposed them as a   
   wireless client bridge repeater or access point wired or wireless repeater.   
      
   Over those two decades of constantly flashing routers, "the fog clears over   
   time", such that we don't consider router setup to be difficult (and, in   
   fact, we flash our own routers with DD-WRT whenever we can).   
      
   In all those years, I haven't explicitly run into VLANs but implicitly many   
   guest networks and repeater bridges make use of VLANs as far as I'm aware.   
      
   Moving forward, I'm sure many IoT devices can be placed on their own VLAN   
   to minimize security risks. Parental controls may involve VLANs also.   
      
   Apparently some ISPs configure VLANs automatically for services like IPTV   
   or VoIP. And, from looking it up just now, in prosumer/enterprise routers   
   (Ubiquiti, MikroTik, Cisco, etc.), VLANs are often part of the setup.   
      
   However, in my experience, in a basic home setup, we probably don't need to   
   explicitly worry about VLANs as our router implicitly handles it invisibly   
   (e.g., the guest network).   
      
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