XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10, comp.mobile.android, misc.phone.mobile.iphone   
   From: robin_listas@es.invalid   
      
   On 2025-12-06 18:13, Marian wrote:   
   > Carlos E.R. wrote:   
   >>> It may be that by hiding my SSID broadcast, I prevented Apple from   
   recognizing   
   >>> that the _nomap was appended to the SSID, for example.   
   >>   
   >> Maybe.   
   >   
   > Hi Carlos,   
   >   
   > I thank you for making me think about it, where the fact remains that we   
   > need to explain why a hidden SSID with "_nomap" is in the Apple WPS db.   
   >   
   > The BSSID is always in the broadcast packet but that the SSID field is   
   > "null" (or blank).   
   >   
   > Since the broadcast happens ten times a second, there's no doubt Apple   
   > products (of which I own many) are seeing the "BSSID", and, since these   
   > Apple devices are in my own home, they're seeing the "SSID in the clear"   
   > whenever a PC or mobile device handshakes with the access point.   
   >   
   > So, clearly, Apple *knows* that the SSID is hidden, and, Apple likely even   
   > knows the SSID, but Apple may have chosen to ignore these obvious facts.   
   >   
   > Hence, I take this loss of my privacy by Apple very seriously.   
   > What I need to do, moving forward, is gather more data points.   
   >   
   > What would be useful to know is if it's only me or if it's everyone.   
      
   Sorry, I can't help with that. But yes, Apple should take the hint that   
   if the SSID is hidden, they should not list the associated BSSID either.   
      
   If you have a free unused/old router or access point, you could set it   
   up with a hidden _nomap SSID, and without connecting any of your phones   
   to it, wait to see if the BSSID appears listed after a month or two. It   
   would be interesting to check every day with a script, to see how fast   
   they update.   
      
      
   But you yourself posted recently a list of databases, and the procedures   
   to not get listed are quite different. _nomap in most of them, but   
   actually writing to them to get yourself unlisted on some of them. Not   
   very nice of them!   
      
   --   
   Cheers, Carlos.   
   ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;   
      
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