XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10, comp.mobile.android, misc.phone.mobile.iphone   
   From: marianjones@helpfulpeople.com   
      
   Frank Slootweg wrote:   
   > On December 6, I wrote:   
   >> Carlos E.R.  wrote:   
   >>> On 2025-12-06 01:16, Marian wrote:   
   >>> > It's classic for the Apple trolls to claim everything they can't   
   >>> > understand is a "weak lie" as Jolly Roger just did, but the fact   
   >>> > remains that my BSSID is in Apple's database (and the SSID is   
   >>> > hidden & has "_nomap" appended).   
   >>>   
   >>> So all your efforts to hide yourself are for nothing. You are listed.   
   >>> You might as well not bother to hide! :-D   
   >>   
   >>   Mine isn't listed and I did nothing to hide.   
   >   
   >   I stand corrected (by myself :-)). It turns out my BSSID *is* listed   
   > (in ).   
   >   
   >   Apparently my router reported (slightly) different MAC addresses than   
   > the MAC address (BSSID) of my SSID. When I used 'Arlen''s 'netsh wlan   
   > ...' method [1], I got the correct BSSID.   
   >   
   >   The reported location is quite accurate - within some 10 metres or so   
   > - but useless, because I live in a city and in an appartment building,   
   > so there are hundreds of other Wi-Fi Access Points close by.   
   >   
   >>   As has been said before, trying to hide makes one suspect, because   
   >> *other* factors stand out.   
   >   
   > [1] I think I had tried that [2] before, but it first failed saying to   
   > 'Run as administrator', then it failed saying it needs 'Location   
   > services', but it still failed. Later it turned out that it also needed   
   > 'Let apps access your location' to be switched on. (All on Windows 11.   
   > Settings -> Privacy & security -> Location.)   
   >   
   > [2] Something similar to "netsh wlan show networks mode=bssid". I think   
   > 'Arlen' also posted a 'netsh' command which only reports the BSSID of   
   > the SSID you're connected to, instead of all the visible ones, but I   
   > didn't find that again.   
      
   I'll agree with and/or commend anyone who makes logically defensible   
   sentient statements, where I applaud Frank for reporting two facts:   
      
    1. His BSSID was listed in the Apple WPS database, and,   
    2. The "reported location is quite accurate - within 10 meters"   
      
   My experience is almost exactly the same as Frank's in that:   
    1. My BSSID is listed (even as it's HIDDEN & contains "_nomap")   
    2. The locations is virtually exact (from 6 to 8 decimal places)   
      
   Notice something interesting:   
    a. When you search using the URL, you get only six decimal places   
    b. When you search using python, you get up to eight decimal places   
      
   Here is a redacted set of images showing the decimal place issue:   
       
      
   Maybe those last two decimal places are why Frank sees an inaccuracy in   
   location that is absolutely absent from my results, although everyone knows   
   I live in the boonies so even as much as 10 meters off is still exactly me.   
      
   UPDATE: I just checked my actual numbers.   
    6 decimal places: ~11 cm resolution.   
    8 decimal places: ~1 mm resolution.   
    The specific difference between them is only about 4cm.   
      
   What's really different is if you live in the boonies, the BSSID is you.   
   If you're in the city, the BSSID might be you and people close to you.   
      
   Note: It also matters how "close to your BSSID" the Apple devices are.   
   In my case, they're right here, next to me, so they're close to the router.   
      
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