XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10, comp.mobile.android, misc.phone.mobile.iphone   
   From: robin_listas@es.invalid   
      
   On 2025-12-09 05:19, Marian wrote:   
   > Carlos E.R. wrote:   
   >>>    As has been said before, trying to hide makes one suspect, because   
   >>> *other* factors stand out.   
   >>   
   >> I am curious, though, about why some people are listed and some are   
   >> not. What's the criteria? Maybe just chance. A passerby having the   
   >> proper non intentional software working properly, I'd guess.   
   >   
   > I will disagree with anyone who makes an illogical statement such as that   
   > which Frank made above, but I'll help answer any valid question such as   
   > what Carlos asked.   
   >   
   > Regarding Frank's assessment that hiding the SSID and putting _nomap on the   
   > SSID "makes one suspect"... Suggesting that opting out makes you 'suspect'   
   > flips the logic. In a system where consent is assumed unless you opt out,   
   > taking the opt-out step is the rational, privacy-protective choice.   
      
   Yes, but it also signals "I have something to hide!". It makes you   
   "interesting".   
      
      
   ...   
      
   > 3. A data broker can infer that the Johnsons moved across the country.   
   >     Advertisers could target them with "new homeowner" services ads.   
   >     A stalker or abusive ex could quickly discover their new address   
      
   Yes, but there are other information avenues that give away that   
   information to the public. Starting with the Johnsons talking on   
   twitter. The mobile phone will also notice and register this information   
   (gps), and it will be at least available in aggregate form.   
      
   >   
   > The BSSID is persistent across locations.   
   > That persistence means your router acts like a digital homing beacon.   
   > It follows you wherever you go.   
   >   
   > Now run that kind of tracking on millions of BSSIDs en masse, which is what   
   > security researched showed the insecure Apple WPS database can be used for.   
   >   
   > As for Carlos' question of why some people are in the highly insecure Apple   
   > WPS database, A router's BSSID is only logged if an Apple device (like an   
   > iPhone, iPad, or Mac) scans it and reports it back to Apple's servers. If   
   > no device running Apple's WPS software has ever passed near your router, it   
   > won't be listed.   
   > In my case, I have plenty of Apple mobile devices inside my home.   
   > So they threw me under the bus even if nobody else did it for Apple.   
   >   
   > The paper by Erik Rye & Dave Levin tracked BSSIDs over a year, where they   
   > mention that Apple doesn't seem to be scrubbing old BSSIDs out of the db.   
   > "we were able to track BSSIDs longitudinally over the course of a year"   
      
   Ok.   
      
   --   
   Cheers, Carlos.   
   ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;   
      
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