XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, alt.comp.os.windows-10, comp.mobile.android   
   From: marianjones@helpfulpeople.com   
      
   Carlos E.R. wrote:   
   >> Chris and Frank are denying they did it, but they did it.   
   >>   
   >> Chris repeatedly used the euphemism "Donald", so I was simply asking you   
   >> why don't you chastise him for bringing that up instead of chastising me   
   >> for writing code that proves Chris' claim wrong that it's hard to do?   
      
   > Mostly because I am trying to follow a conversation with you, not with them.   
      
   Well then, that's fine.   
   We all have thick skins if we've been on Usenet for decades like I have.   
      
   If you follow the conversation with me, you'll see that   
   a. I reported what I know about protecting our privacy   
   b. I found out that Apple was not respecting our privacy   
   c. And, I wrote scripts to prove how easy it is to track people   
      
   That's adding value.   
      
   > When you you said he was calling you a "Trump supporter" I did not   
   > recognize that idea. I do have a remembrance of someone calling you   
   > Donald, but not why. I was thinking of the Walt Disney character Donald   
   > the duck. If you ask me what is the first name of Mr Trump, off hand I   
   > don't know. So your claim of someone calling you a Trump supporter in   
   > some past message did not ring a bell.]   
      
   Well, let's not worry about it. My main point TO YOU was you were   
   chastising me for being mean to people who were being mean to me.   
      
   What you don't comprehend (and you likely never will understand), is I   
   treat people EXACTLY like they treat me.   
      
   It's never me throwing the first punch.   
   You saw me respond to them. So you chastised me.   
      
   But you ignored that they always are the ones who throw the first punch.   
   I treat people with respect when they deserve to be treated with respect.   
      
   No matter who they are.   
      
   > His argument that he is not calling you a supporter has some feasibility.   
      
   You mean Frank? What value did Frank add to this entire thread, Carlos.   
   Nothing.   
      
   Everything Frank said was of negative value.   
   Calling me a Trump supporter was his childish way of throwing punches.   
      
   I've never been supported ANY politician ever on Usenet in decades.   
      
   For Frank and Chris to throw those punches was their childish way of   
   desperately trying to be part of a conversation they don't belong in.   
      
   > You people calling names one another constantly distracts me.   
      
   STOP THAT. JUST STOP IT.   
   Chastize THEM. Not me.   
      
   They threw the first punch.   
   Stop blaming the victim, Carlos.   
      
   Just stop it.   
   I'm not going to put up with your extreme bias against the victim.   
      
   Chastise them, Carlos.   
   Be fair.   
      
   > follow those conversations. To many insults and I drop out, I ignore   
   > those messages. If I am trying to follow a conversation and find too   
   > many insults, I either grumble or switch off.   
      
   Carlos,   
   I discussed how to set up router privacy. I stuck to the topic.   
   Why don't you chastise THEM for throwing all those childish punches?   
      
   I was simply reacting to the fact they felt desperate to be in teh   
   conversation and yet neither Chris nor Frank can add any value.   
      
   Not only did I prove how insecure Apple's WPS database is, but I found that   
   Apple isn't following it's own published rules. And I wrote scripts to   
   prove it.   
      
   That's added value.   
      
   Chris & Frank can not add any value.   
   SO they throw punches.   
      
   Because they're _desperate_ to be part of the conversation.   
   Chastise them first. Carlos.   
      
   Not me.   
      
   > You may have noticed that I have agreed with several of your points,   
   > then also to some of their arguments making modify some of my agreement.   
   > I just do not want to be too much distracted with flying insults or   
   > attacks on the persons instead of the ideas.   
      
   Like you, I agree with ANYONE (no matter who they are) if they make   
   logically sensible points, Carlos. You know that from experience.   
      
   Why don't you chastise Frank & Chris for throwing all those insults?   
   Why don't you ask Frank & Chris to add on-topic value, Carlos.   
      
   For example, I wrote the scripts that can track any access point in the   
   world. You likely won't find scripts like that anywhere but here.   
      
   I added value.   
   And you chastised me.   
      
   Why don't you chastise them, Carlos?   
      
   > I did not reply to the paragraph with Donald in it.   
      
   They were throwing punches, Carlos.   
   I didn't miss it.   
      
   They can't add value.   
   Yet they're desperate to be in the conversation.   
      
   Why don't you ask them to add value instead of throwing punches?   
      
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