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   Marian to Marian   
   Re: Help! How do we get Apple to care ab   
   26 Dec 25 16:14:54   
   
   XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10, comp.mobile.android   
   From: marianjones@helpfulpeople.com   
      
   Marian wrote:   
   > Now I'll set up the middle router test.   
      
   Drat. I found another inconsistency we need to overcome by design.   
      
   Router 1 (broadcast-public) was intentionally left in Mixed mode because it   
   is meant to behave like a normal consumer router. Mixed mode reflects   
   typical real-world defaults and ensures Apple's WPS treats it as an   
   ordinary, indexable access point.   
      
   But router 2 is set to G-only.   
    This avoids DD-WRT's 802.11n elements (eliminating mixed-mode quirks).   
    And it provides for more predictable beacon frames.   
    Plus, it reduces RF noise by minimizing the RF signature.   
    And, it ensures consistent behavior for the privacy test.   
    This distinction is intentional and part of the experimental design.   
      
   Router 3 is a much newer router (relatively speaking), so it's set to mixed   
   mode like router one was set. So, in summary, the mode settings will be:   
    Router 1 (broadcast-public) = Mixed   
    Router 2 (broadcast-private-nomap) = G-Only   
    Router 3 (hidden-private-nomap) = Mixed   
      
   This combination is intentional and based on the hardware   
   but the settings also take into account our test goals.   
      
   1. Router 1 stays in Mixed mode   
      It is the "normal consumer router" baseline.   
      Mixed mode matches real-world defaults.   
      Apple WPS should treat it as a standard, indexable AP.   
      This gives you a clean reference point for comparison.   
      
   2. Router 2 is set to G-Only   
      It is a WRT54G v8.1, which is 802.11g hardware anyway.   
      DD-WRT micro behaves more predictably in G-Only mode.   
      Mixed mode on this old hardware can introduce quirks.   
      G-Only produces cleaner, simpler beacon frames.   
      It reduces RF variability and noise.   
      It ensures consistent behavior for the "broadcast + _nomap" test case.   
      
   3. Router 3 stays in Mixed mode   
      It is an 802.11n-capable router (WNR834B v2).   
      Setting it to G-Only would disable 802.11n features entirely.   
      That would distort the hidden SSID test.   
      Apple WPS fingerprints N-capable APs differently.   
      We want Router 3 to behave like a normal hidden SSID AP,   
       not a crippled or downgraded one.   
      Mixed mode preserves the correct beacon structure for this hardware.   
      
   Summary:   
    Router 1 = baseline, normal consumer behavior.   
    Router 2 = controlled, simplified G-only for the _nomap broadcast test.   
    Router 3 = normal mixed-mode behavior for the hidden SSID test.   
      
   This setup gives us three distinct, meaningful test cases without   
   introducing artificial distortions from forcing the wrong wireless mode   
   on the wrong hardware.   
      
   Broadcast / Public (baseline consumer router)   
     Router name: broadcast-public   
     IP: 192.168.1.128   
     SSID: AppleWPS.broadcast.public   
     Mode: plain AP   
     Test: Broadcast SSID, no _nomap, no DHCP   
     Hardware: WRT54G v5 (Linksys)   
     Firmware: Stock Linksys v1.02.8   
     Wireless Network Mode: Mixed   
     Channel: 1 - 2.412GHz (20MHz)   
     Security Mode: WPA2 Personal   
     WPA Algorithms: CCMP-128 (AES)   
     WAN Connection Type: Automatic Configuration - DHCP   
     Local IP Address: 192.168.1.128/24   
     Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0   
     Gateway: 192.168.1.1   
     Local DNS: 192.168.1.1   
     DHCP Server: Disable   
     DNSMasq: Disable   
     DHCP-Authoritative: Disable   
     Local DNS: Disable   
     Backup: 20251226_192.168.1.128_wpstest_wrt54gv5_broadcast-public.bin   
      
   Broadcast / Private / nomap (public, opted out)   
     Router name: broadcast-private-nomap   
     IP: 192.168.1.129   
     SSID: AppleWPS.broadcast.private_nomap   
     Mode: plain AP   
     Test: Broadcast SSID, _nomap, no DHCP   
     Hardware: WRT54G v8.1 (Linksys)   
     Firmware: DD-WRT v24 RC-7 (03/19/08) micro   
     Wireless Network Mode: G-Only   
     Channel: 6 - 2.437GHz (20MHz)   
     Security Mode: WPA2 Personal   
     WPA Algorithms: CCMP-128 (AES)   
     WAN Connection Type: Disabled   
     Local IP Address: 192.168.1.129/24   
     Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0   
     Gateway: 192.168.1.1   
     Local DNS: 192.168.1.1   
     DHCP Server: Disable   
     DNSMasq: Disable   
     DHCP-Authoritative: Disable   
     Local DNS: Disable   
     Backup:   
   20251226_192.168.1.129_wpstest_wrt54gv81_broadcast-private-nomap.bin   
      
   Hidden / Private / nomap (hidden, opted out)   
     Router name: hidden-private-nomap   
     IP: 192.168.1.130   
     SSID: AppleWPS.hidden.private_nomap   
     Mode: plain AP   
     Test: Hidden SSID, _nomap, no DHCP   
     Hardware: WNR834B v2 (Netgear)   
     Firmware: DD-WRT v3.0-r51937 mini (03/05/23)   
     Wireless Network Mode: Mixed   
     Channel: 11 - 2.462GHz (20MHz)   
     Security Mode: WPA2 Personal   
     WPA Algorithms: CCMP-128 (AES)   
     WAN Connection Type: Disabled   
     Local IP Address: 192.168.1.130/24   
     Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0   
     Gateway: 192.168.1.1   
     Local DNS: 192.168.1.1   
     DHCP Server: Disable   
     DNSMasq: Disable   
     DHCP-Authoritative: Disable   
     Local DNS: Disable   
     Backup: 20251226_192.168.1.130_wpstest_wnr834b2_hidden-private-nomap.bin   
      
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