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   Marian to Marian   
   Re: Help! How do we get Apple to care ab   
   26 Dec 25 16:27:28   
   
   XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10, comp.mobile.android   
   From: marianjones@helpfulpeople.com   
      
   Marian wrote:   
   > This combination is intentional and based on the hardware   
   > but the settings also take into account our test goals.   
      
   Proposed (WIP) APPLE WPS TEST PLAN   
   ----------------------------------   
      
   GOAL:   
        Determine how Apple's WPS database treats:   
          1. A normal broadcast SSID (Router 1)   
          2. A broadcast SSID with _nomap (Router 2)   
          3. A hidden SSID with _nomap (Router 3)   
      
        Specifically:   
          Does Apple index them?   
          How long does it take Apple to index them?   
          Does Apple retain them after relocation?   
          Does Apple treat _nomap consistently?   
      
   TEST LOCATIONS:   
        Location A = Friend's house in Palo Alto   
        Location B = A second test site in Cupertino   
      
   ROUTERS:   
        Router 1 = broadcast-public (Mixed)   
        Router 2 = broadcast-private-nomap (G-Only)   
        Router 3 = hidden-private-nomap (Mixed)   
      
   TEST SEQUENCE OVERVIEW:   
        Phase 1: Deploy all routers at Location A   
        Phase 2: Leave them running for a fixed time window   
        Phase 3: Query Apple WPS database daily   
        Phase 4: Move all routers to Location B   
        Phase 5: Leave them running again   
        Phase 6: Query Apple WPS database daily   
        Phase 7: Compare entries from both locations   
      
   -----------------------------------------------   
   PHASE 1: DEPLOY AT LOCATION A   
   -----------------------------------------------   
   1. Power on all three routers.   
   2. Verify:   
          AP 1 visible as broadcast-public   
          AP 2 visible as broadcast-private_nomap   
          AP 3 hidden (SSID not broadcast)   
   3. Confirm channels:   
          Router 1 = 1   
          Router 2 = 6   
          Router 3 = 11   
   4. Confirm no DHCP servers active on any router.   
   5. Confirm all three respond to ping:   
          192.168.1.128   
          192.168.1.129   
          192.168.1.130   
   6. Record the exact start time.   
      
   -----------------------------------------------   
   PHASE 2: WAITING PERIOD AT LOCATION A   
   -----------------------------------------------   
   1. Leave routers running for (I don't know how long yet) days.   
        Recommended minimum: 3 days   
        Ideal: 5 to 7 days   
   2. I will not reboot or reconfigure routers.   
   3. I will not move them or change orientation.   
      
   -----------------------------------------------   
   PHASE 3: DAILY APPLE WPS QUERIES (LOCATION A)   
   -----------------------------------------------   
   Each day, record:   
        A. Does AP 1 appear in WPS?   
        B. Does AP 2 appear in WPS?   
        C. Does AP 3 appear in WPS?   
        D. What coordinates does Apple report?   
        E. What confidence or accuracy radius?   
        F. Does Apple drop any entries?   
      
   -----------------------------------------------   
   PHASE 4: MOVE TO LOCATION B   
   -----------------------------------------------   
   1. Power off all three routers.   
   2. Transport them to Location B.   
   3. Power them on in the same order:   
          Router 1 first   
          Router 2 second   
          Router 3 third   
   4. Verify:   
          AP 1 visible   
          AP 2 visible   
          AP 3 hidden   
   5. Confirm channels again:   
          1 / 6 / 11   
   6. Record the exact relocation time.   
      
   -----------------------------------------------   
   PHASE 5: WAITING PERIOD AT LOCATION B   
   -----------------------------------------------   
   1. Leave routers running for ? days.   
        Recommended minimum: 3 days   
        Ideal: 5 to 7 days   
   2. I will not reboot or reconfigure routers.   
      
   -----------------------------------------------   
   PHASE 6: DAILY APPLE WPS QUERIES (LOCATION B)   
   -----------------------------------------------   
   Each day, record:   
        A. Does Apple create new entries?   
        B. Does Apple update the old entries?   
        C. Does Apple merge Location A and B?   
        D. Does Apple drop Location A?   
        E. Does Apple treat _nomap differently?   
        F. Does Apple treat hidden SSID differently?   
      
   -----------------------------------------------   
   PHASE 7: FINAL ANALYSIS   
   -----------------------------------------------   
   Compare:   
        1. Router 1 behavior across both locations   
        2. Router 2 behavior across both locations   
        3. Router 3 behavior across both locations   
        4. Whether _nomap suppressed indexing   
        5. Whether hidden SSID suppressed indexing   
        6. Whether Apple retained stale coordinates   
        7. Whether Apple merged or split entries   
        8. Whether Apple respected relocation timing   
      
   EXPECTED OUTCOMES (HYPOTHESES):   
        Router 1:   
             Should appear at both locations.   
             Should update location after relocation.   
      
        Router 2:   
             May appear at Location A.   
             May or may not update at Location B.   
             Apple may treat _nomap inconsistently.   
      
        Router 3:   
             May not appear at all.   
             If it appears, it may be unstable or delayed.   
             Hidden SSID behavior is the key unknown.   
      
   DATA TO RECORD:   
        Date   
        Time   
        Router ID   
        SSID (if visible)   
        Apple WPS coordinates   
        Accuracy radius   
        Confidence   
        Whether entry is new or updated   
        Notes   
      
   END OF (proposed, WIP) TEST PLAN   
      
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