XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10, comp.mobile.android, misc.phone.mobile.iphone   
   From: marianjones@helpfulpeople.com   
      
   Andy Burns wrote:   
   >> If you have a free unused/old router or access point, you could set it   
   >> up with a hidden _nomap SSID, and without connecting any of your phones   
   >> to it, wait to see if the BSSID appears listed after a month or two. It   
   >> would be interesting to check every day with a script, to see how fast   
   >> they update.   
   >   
   > Ask some friends who use iPhones to come round for a coffee, the more   
   > devices hoovering up data the better?  They may only add BSSIDs to the   
   > DB if they've seen them via multiple devices.   
      
   Hi Andy,   
      
   I respect you so I am explaining that I'm taking your suggestion to heart.   
   Yet we don't need any Apple devices to run this test, it's that easy to do.   
      
   Jan 1st I'm putting 3 old routers (which you may recognize) in Palo Alto.   
       
      
     1. Normal SSID   
     2. _nomap SSID   
     3. _nomap SSID + hidden broadcast frames   
      
   I have a friend in Palo Alto who is willing to host these three routers for   
   about a month, starting on January 1st, 2026. Then we will move the three   
   routers to Cupertino on February 1st to simulate moving to a new flat.   
    From: Marian    
    Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.android,alt.internet.wireless   
    Subject: Help!  How do we get Apple to care about privacy for entities who   
   own access points?   
    Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2025 23:42:17 -0700   
    Organization: BWH Usenet Archive (https://usenet.blueworldhosting.com)   
    Message-ID: <10ig209$29kr$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>   
      
   I already know EXACTLY what will happen, but this is simply the test   
   results that I will show to Apple when the time comes to show it to them.   
      
   Given virtually every router in the world has the HIDDEN broadcast frame   
   feature, we can assume hundreds of millions of people use that feature.   
      
   Apple does not intend to honor their own published privacy policy, so the   
   routers with that feature will be included in the public Apple WPS   
   database, which is expressly against the wishes of the people who do that.   
      
   What Apple "is doing" is the antithesis of what Apple "says" they will do.   
      
   To me, that's morally, ethically & legally reprehensible for Apple to do   
   that, and Apple can't say they're unaware because I know they're aware.   
   --   
   It used to be Apple only told the truth in court, but with Judge Gonzalez'   
   case with Apple execs, it may be Apple doen't even tell the truth in court.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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