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   From: usenet@andyburns.uk   
      
   Marian wrote:   
      
   > I respect your knowledge, so I'm aware you understand what a BSSID is.   
   > You also understand that most people own the home they live in.   
      
   Most, yes;  here in the UK it's roughly 2/3 of households, not sure   
   whether that's less than in the USA?   
      
   > And, you understand that if they move, they take their router with them.   
      
   Most people here will use the router provided by their ISP, they're   
   probably meant to leave it behind, or send it back when they move home.   
      
   > I know the owner of every home on Josey Circle in Shreveport, LA, right?   
   >   
   > And, in another post, I showed the BSSID nearest to each of those   
   > buildings, right? (I'm not going to put it together here for reasons that   
   > I'm not trying to dox people.)   
   >   
   > So what are you asking me to answer?   
      
   For a named person, if you already know where they live, you know their   
   location, if you don't know where the live, Apple's database doesn't   
   help you find out.  Even if you find their router's BSSID, why do you   
   ant to wait years until they move home, just so you can track where they   
   move to?   
      
   > a. Are you disputing I have the named owner of every home in the USA?   
      
   Situation is a bit different here, there's the electoral roll which will   
   list everyone's address, but many people opt to tick the "privacy" box   
   so that isn't public information, there's also the land registry but   
   homes which have not recently changed hands are not required to be   
   registered, and you have to pay to see each record.   
      
   > b. Or are you disputing I have the BSSID of every home in the USA?   
      
   I don't think you have it in such a cut-and-dried format, you've tied   
   things together by implication.   
      
   > If your name was, oh, let's say Jeffrey Devin, and if you put that router   
   > in the home that you own at 4306 Josey Circle, then I can track that AP   
   > anywhere in the world if you then moved to another home, and took your   
   > router with you. c. Are you disputing I can track the location of that   
   > AP BSSID, Andy?   
      
   But the BSSIDs are unique, people's names are not, how easy would it be   
   for you to link to SSNs?   
      
   > Note that by tracking the BSSID and knowing the owner of every home in the   
   > USA (since that's a public record), I could tie it to you "if" you're the   
   > owner. If you only rented the home, then I'd need more data to tie it to   
   > you.   
   >   
   > But in the USA, overwhelmingly, people own the home they live in.   
   > So it's tied to the owner. Who, in this case, would be you.   
      
   For anyone who runs their own business, the companies house data is   
   another source of addresses,   
   > Would it not?   
      
   It would be easier for you to find my address by *not* using Apple's   
   database ...   
      
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