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   From: nomail@invalid.invalid   
      
   In article ,   
   twang@the.noodle says...   
   >   
   > Skeeter wrote:   
   > > twang@the.noodle says...   
   > > > Sylvia Else wrote:   
   > > > > On 10-Apr-23 2:02 am, Skeeter wrote:   
   > > > > > twang@the.noodle says...   
   > > > > >> Skeeter wrote:   
   > > > > >>> twang@the.noodle says...   
   > > > > >>>> Skeeter wrote:   
   > > > > >>>>> twang@the.noodle says...   
   > > > > >>>>>> Skeeter wrote:   
   > > > > >>>>>>> In article , s   
   lvia@email.invalid says...   
   > > > > >>>>>>>> On 08-Apr-23 2:52 pm, Michael McLean wrote:   
   > > > > >>>>>>>>>   
   > > > > >>>>>>>>> Everything is the consequence of something.  No thing can   
   create itself.   
   > > > > >>>>>>>>>    It needs a cause.  Thus eternal God or nothing would be   
   here. No thing   
   > > > > >>>>>>>>> can "be" before it is in order to bring itself into "being."   
   > > > > >>>>>>>>   
   > > > > >>>>>>>> So, God can be eternal, but nothing else can, because.....?   
   > > > > >>>>>>>>   
   > > > > >>>>>>>> Sylvia.   
   > > > > >>>>>>>   
   > > > > >>>>>>> He created it?   
   > > > > >>>>>>   
   > > > > >>>>>> Could God create an eternal universe if he wanted to?   
   > > > > >>>>>   
   > > > > >>>>> It wouldn't be eternal if it was created.   
   > > > > >>>>   
   > > > > >>>> So you mean no, God isn't powerful enough to create an   
   > > > > >>>> eternal universe.   
   > > > > >>>   
   > > > > >>>   
   > > > > >>> Twist it around as usual.   
   > > > > >>   
   > > > > >> You said it, not me.   
   > > > > >>   
   > > > > >>>   If it was created it cannot be eternal.   
   > > > > >>   
   > > > > >> Of course it can.  Any omnipotent god can create   
   > > > > >> something that lasts forever.  If he can't, he's not   
   > > > > >> omnipotent and he needs to go back to god school.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > If it was created it had a beginning.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > You mean God cannot create an eternal universe that had no beginning?   
   > > >   
   > > > An eternal universe can have a beginning.  If it lasts   
   > > > forever, it's eternal.  If it has existed since infinity   
   > > > ago and ends now, it's still eternal.   
   > > >   
   > > > Eternal just means "having infinite duration".   
   > > >    
   > > >   
   > > > > In any case, we already know that "omnipotence" contains a built-in   
   > > > > contradiction. Can God create something that He cannot destroy? Etc.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Sylvia.   
   > > >   
   > > > Or, can God create itself?   
   > > >   
   > > > It depends on what kind of god the believer chooses to   
   > > > invent.   
   > >   
   > > https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/infinity   
   >   
   > Nope.  Irrelevant, but thanks for playing.   
      
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