XPost: rec.music.bluenote, rec.music.makers.guitar.jazz   
   From: jcmartin@sonic.net   
      
   The Enunciator wrote:   
      
   > JC Martin wrote:   
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   >>The Enunciator wrote:   
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   >>   
   >>>JC Martin wrote:   
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   >>>>>An admitedly pretentious endeavor, but nevertheless you exposue   
   >>>>>yourself to such vulgarities because the payoff is one that brings   
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   >>>you   
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   >>>   
   >>>>>some degree of pleasure.   
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   >>>>   
   >>>>False.  That may be the case for you, but certainly not me.   
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   >>>>-JC   
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   >>>So what _is_ it in your case?  Why expose yourself to art of any   
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   > kind   
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   >>>if there isn't some payoff that gives you some sense of pleasure,   
   >>>whether that be sensory, emotional, and/or intellectual   
   >   
   > stimulation?   
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   >>   
   >>Self-growth...spiritual growth, of course not always a pleasurable   
   >>experience.   
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   >>-JC   
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   > In the short term, perhaps not.  But in the long run the self becomes   
   > more informed, the spirit grows bigger.  Is this not a source of   
   > pleasure?   
      
      
   You're taking a common impulse of human beings and making it the end-all   
   be-all.  I'm not arguing that art can't be entertaining, pleasurable,   
   etc.  I'm not even arguing BTW that some smooth jazz can't be art,   
   though a good portion of it is certainly contrived in the board room.   
   But all art does not entail pleasure and just because at some later   
   stage in your life you may derive said pleasure from *self-growth*   
   doesn't mean that all the art you absorbed then becomes entertainment.   
   That's the argument you're making and it's way off.  *All* art is not   
   entertainment, but we agree that it *can* entertain.   
      
   -JC   
      
      
   -JC   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)