From: someone@anywheret.net   
      
   "JimD"  wrote in message news:201804240035504680-email@nowherecom...   
      
   > just two quick things ... 1 ... Sweetwater just sent a link to an article   
   > written by Craig Anderson about " feel ", about how on old recordings the   
   > tempos vary in musical ways. As in, slow down and speed up in ways that   
   > make sense, add to the song.  I'm ok with that. Of course totally live   
   > bands didn't hold rock steady tempos. They couldn't.  And when I'm playing   
   > acoustic, I don't either. It's like all the sudden there is this freedom   
   > to pause on some words or chords.   
      
   Just like when talking ;)   
      
   > Of course this only holds together with very small groups, or solo guys.   
   > The more people you add, the harder it is for one person to wander around   
   > tempo wise and expect everyone else to stay together.   
      
   If the band is very cohesive, even larger ones can still do such things, IF   
   they're all familiar with each other - wow! What a radical concept for a   
   band ;)   
      
   > In concert music, it's the conductors job to set, and vary, the tempo.   
   > Totally normal that concert pieces have tempo variations.   
      
   I'm sure having a conductor helps there ;)   
      
   > then 2, I just found out last evening that Logic Pro, my DAW, just added   
   > some sort of smart tempo function, a thing to let the program work out a   
   > tempo grid from freely played audio.  It's apparently crude, just a   
   > beginning, but the idea is, to let you make recordings using these tools   
   > without having to be able to play to a click.  That sounds obvious, but   
   > hey, apparently a lot of the younger set not only can't play to a solid   
   > beat, they don't even understand why you might want to. As in, they don't   
   > dance :-)   
      
   To me, playing to clicks is to enhance the ability to follow rather than to   
   always play with Robotic uniformity...because I'd rather play more   
   *ergonomically* ;)   
      
   I use that ability at church a lot more than I'd like to - like yesterday   
   when one of the singers was about to cause a train wreck, I just followed   
   and 'laid' the 'tracks', no, not *those* kind ;), right under where she was   
   going and so the wreck never happened...but it's a LOT less enjoyable   
   playing like that...my name for it is DEFENSIVE playing...not fun, but like   
   defensive driving, it prevents accidents...but then so does more Practice,   
   Rehearsal, and Dedication, and less ego problems, and if there was more of   
   That good stuff and less of the bad, there'd be a Lot less *need* for   
   Defensive Playing!!!   
      
   > Both of those mean that the technology is moving to non steady, ( no   
   > click, no solid beat ) musical styles.   
      
   Sounds like Unneeded, Useless technology!   
      
   > I'm good with that.  Like they said on some old Star Trek TOS episode,   
   > it's far easier for civilized people to pretend to be savages, than it is   
   > for savages to pretend to be civilized.   
      
   I'm not sure how that relates to Music ;)   
      
   > I can dig playing all sloppy tempo wise. Of course, I dont' know how a   
   > drummer is supposed to work with that sort of stuff.   
      
   Must it be the extremes of timepiece precision or sloppy?   
      
   > Again, the trick is being able to play WITH others ( or tracks ),   
      
   I can, and do, and always endeavor to, and practice playing with others, but   
   I'm not interested in playing with recordings for what's supposed to be a   
   Live performance.   
      
   > and it turns out a lot of drummers don't listen to others in the band.   
   > They are use to setting the tempo, and just expect everyone to stay with   
   > them.  So trying to get them to work with tracks that aren't steady   
   > rythmically will be even more fun that watching them try to stay with   
   > tracks that are solid.   
      
   In short, that's expecting the drummer to be able to Follow. I've discovered   
   that very few musicians are able, or care to follow...which is why I'm   
   always doing it, because  I can...but that doesn't mean I necessarily like   
   doing it.   
      
   > Or maybe old school totally live bands will make a comback.  Why do I   
   > doubt that ?   
      
   IT'S ABOUT TIME!!! ;)   
      
   > More likely kids will make music on their laptops and playing real   
   > instruments will totally go away.   
      
   Jim   
      
   Then Real Music will also totally go away...like  it's doing right now - IF   
   WE DON'T DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT...NOW!!!   
      
   Ouisie   
      
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