From: someone@anywheret.net   
      
   "JimD"  wrote in message news:2018090310412054712-email@nowherecom...   
      
      
      
   > I try and pull all the conflicting " issues " she's having together to see   
   > if there is a base cause.   What I see is that she wants more music volume   
   > on the stage. Won't use in ears, doesn't like floor wedges, she's in a   
   > world of hurt in a setup like mine where the stage isn't loaded to the   
   > brim with amps and speaker cabs.   
      
   In a way she's right - FOH is something that just sounds weird to those on   
   stage, which absolutely requires them to have some kind of monitor system   
   whereas if a single sound source, whether amps, and/or cabs, and/or FOH   
   speakers are actually on stage, then everyone, including the musicians, get   
   to hear everything more or less the same.   
      
   > Typically you hear about this with musicians .. they simple like it loud.   
   > That's where she is.  She's never, from the beginning, been able to adjust   
   > to a lower stage volume.   
      
   If it's loud and Clear, that's okay - because I've discovered that a major   
   issue is the opposite (reciprocal) of signal to noise ratio, and that's   
   noise to signal ratio.   
      
   Since noise is defined primarily as unwanted sound - and *overly*, as in   
   hearing-Damaging, high sound pressure levels is Very Unwanted, at least by   
   those who aren't Idiots and most likely deaf or going deaf, it becomes   
   noise, and is accompanied by all the psychological and psychoacoustic   
   phenomena that attends any other kind of noise. In other words, for the   
   signal NOT to become Noise Requires a Limit on the SPL, the dBs!   
      
   The band I'm currently working with has a problem with too-high SPLs - the   
   result is that no one can clearly hear anything, not the least reason being   
   the psychological aversion to the excessive levels, which practically   
   eliminates concentration, in addition to all the reflections and lack of   
   1/3rd octave band eq to give each instrument its own sonic niche, combine to   
   make everything sound like OVERLY LOUD UNDEFINED CRAP!!!   
      
   > The issues she has with the FOH sound come from her soliciting opinions   
   > from her old loud band buddies, and of course they don't think we're loud   
   > enough out front. Nothing would, or could ever be loud enough by their   
   > standards :-)   
      
   But what should what they say have anything to do with her own personal   
   perceptions?   
      
   > But she takes not thinking we're loud enough on stage ... and extrapolates   
   > that in her mind that to " well, yeah, if we're not loud onstage, we must   
   > also not be loud enough out front. "    Flaw in that ? Not connecting that   
   > the stage level and the FOH level aren't the same thing.   
      
   That's precisely why on stage monitors are needed...because for the band   
   depending on the  FOH system to hear themselves would be a disaster!   
      
   > It was in her old band days, they did like all the loud bar bands back   
   > then, simply piled amps on the stage and maxed them out.  I lived thru   
   > those days.  I remember them very very well.   
      
   I wonder if anyone remembers what it was like to actually be able to Hear   
   before that!   
      
   > We can adjust the stage level separately from the foh sound.  Except she   
   > doesn't trust me to make those judgments.   
      
   I'm way  past that ;)   
   All I care about is hearing myself and everyone else Clearly - I couldn't   
   care less what, or even if the  audience hears us at all - that’s Entirely   
   up to the sound person.   
      
   > Who does she trust ?   Her drunken cousin from the XXXX VFW ? Her old bass   
   > player that I've been in several rock bands with ( and who was fired from   
   > each and every one ) ?  Or the mandolin playing woman whos band we took   
   > all the tourist spot gigs from ?   
      
   Only thing to trust is one's Own EARS - which is why they Must work!!!   
      
   > To be fair, we did do one band gig recently where she herself was out in   
   > the audience. She said that there, the drums drown everything else out.  I   
   > pointed out that I can't do anything about that. Our pa will only go so   
   > loud.  As long as she's resisting replacing him, he's " safe ", and can   
   > play as loud as he wants. And will.   
      
   Get somewhere with Originals so you can get a *competent* sound  person!   
      
   > Bands are for suckers.   
      
   JimD   
      
   No, bands are NOT for suckers, because they Ruin things for everyone else!   
      
   Ouisie   
      
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