From: someone@anywheret.net   
      
   "JimD"  wrote in message news:2018091111484343580-email@nowherecom...   
      
   > About two hours on the phone last night with band girl ......   
      
      
   > the volume thing is back.   
      
   I wonder why it ever left before, even if only temporarily.   
      
   > Pig headed.  That's the best description I can come up with.  Not pretty,   
   > but dead on.  I was upset after the call. This morning, that's turned to   
   > genuine anger.  We have a retirement place duo today.  A private party   
   > thing tomorrow. A full band job on the weekend.  And all I hear is about   
   > are crazy, conflicting issues with the pa.   
      
   How could it not be monitor related? Since that's primarily how one hears   
   oneself.   
      
   > It's not loud enough out front ( how does she know this )   
      
   I don't  know, but there is a way to know - give her a wireless mic, do a   
   sound check, and let her go out in front of the FOH system and actually hear   
   it for real.   
      
   > It's not loud enough onstage ( it's in mid 90 db range )   
      
   Sounds loud enough to me.   
      
   > Ok, the onstage problem isn't volume totally, it's that the " tracks "   
   > aren't loud enough ( they are the 90 db part ),   
      
   They could never be too quiet for me ;)   
      
   > it's that the vocals are too loud onstage  ( ? ),   
      
   Compared to What?   
      
   > and my live guitar is too loud onstage ( that is based on someone, some   
   > ass, telling her my guitar was too loud out front recently, compared to   
   > the TRACKS )   
      
   What's the thing about the tracks? They're only recordings.   
      
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   > So if I turn the " tracks " up, then the out front level .... which comes   
   > from the same speaker we hear on stage ..... goes too hot for playing to   
   > non drinking seniors in the daytime.   
      
   Maybe she's too used to younger drinkers at night and this is something   
   new(er).   
      
   > And there is this issue of my guitar ?   It's not " too Loud ", except in   
   > the same way the vocals are .... when you get rid of the stage full of old   
   > Ampeg bass cabs and such, and there isn't any drummer at our duo's, and I   
   > don't use an amp there ..... there suddenly isn't any huge wash of music   
   > behind us.   
      
   Does that mean it sounds more empty?   
      
   > Take that away, and what can you suddenly hear ?   The vocals and my   
   > guitar and the tracks.   
      
   Sounds like you might be on the  right 'track', no pun intended ;)   
   In which case, perhaps it does sound too empty and needs something to 'fill'   
   in the space a bit...like  some monitors maybe?   
      
   > What she wants is the " tracks " to fill in all that sonic vacuum onstage.   
   > Except they aren't karaokie cds.   Mostly the " tracks " are very basic   
   > rhythm parts, bass and just other things to enough to hold the song   
   > together.   
      
   So that is it! But filling in the 'holes', or 'vacuum' will probably take   
   additional monitors.   
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   > She may have a valid complaint in that she's just not used to working on a   
   > stage where the stage level music isn't roaring, one where she needs to   
   > scream to get over them. Having quality gear that actually works is scary.   
   > If her mic is too hot she can, at any time, hold it back a little.   
      
   She actually prefers to have to scream to be heard? That's not good for the   
   voice!   
      
   And working the mic is a necessity.   
      
   > As long as we're doing the small room thing of having just one set of   
   > speakers for the crowd and us, there's not a lot I can do to take her   
   > vocals out of what she hears.  That would solve the vocals are too loud,   
   > except then the audience couldn't hear them either.   
      
   I thought the XR18 could handle custom monitor mixes, where should could   
   attenuate the vocals and boost everything else.   
      
   > In the same sense, I can't crank the " tracks " up without also turning   
   > them up for the audience. Louder = less jobs.  And the tracks are merely a   
   > support thing, they aren't necessary. We often do songs without using   
   > them.  So how does that work, is my guitar still too loud when it's just   
   > her singing and me playing guitar ?   
      
   How about a custom monitor mix?   
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   > Bottom line.  She wants it loud( er ).  I don't.  I've noticed that   
   > keeping the volume down equals more gigs.   
      
   Of course, more gigs and better hearing to enjoy them.   
      
      
   > She's trying to recreate / relive the sonic environment of a loud 70's bar   
   > band.   
      
   I think she's looking for a rich full sound - I know that's always what I'm   
   after.   
   Too bad we're such a distance apart ;)   
      
   > We are at an impasse.   
      
      
   JimD   
      
   But it doesn't have to stay that way if only there's a way to fill out the   
   sound.   
   I still think some more monitors in the right spots will help.   
      
   Ouisie   
      
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