From: someone@anywheret.net   
      
   "JimD"  wrote in message news:2018092601170383296-email@nowherecom...   
      
   > Having her head all screwed up by people telling her this and that is   
   > wrong is the problem. Not our sound.  Now to be fair, she did have an   
   > issue yesterday, entirely because I am doing what she is asking me to do   
   > ....  bring the music up in the mains.  Her mic will only go so loud   
   > before is feeds back. Which it was, so it was as hot as it was gonna get.   
   > But the music, that I can keep on increasing until we get yelled at. I   
   > didn't go that far. I want rebooked for next year, even if I have to do it   
   > alone.   
      
   > A complete lack of understanding how pa's and acoustics works .. that's   
   > her problem. Not her mic.   
      
   And here I thought she was the  level-headed one. It's like, or IS a   
   Disease!   
      
   > What would she do, turn it up ?   
      
   Turn up the compressor/Limiter!   
      
   > It's already as hot as it will go without feedback.  It's maxed now.  No   
   > amount of making it louder will work, or is possible. It's already feeding   
   > back.  Remember, she just flat doesn't want to use in ears ... so loud   
   > stage monitors are still around.  And as long as they are, we won't sound   
   > any better than we did before she started in insisting on making the music   
   > louder to suit her bar friends.   
      
   I still can't fathom why she'd listen to them, on What Basis?   
      
   She obviously want's to hear something particular (I hope), and if you   
   experiment, like with the IEMs at first because that's more or less direct   
   and near field coupled, something could be established there and then you   
   could do your best to try to simulate it on stage.   
      
   > It can. It can sound beautiful.  At least it could before her paranoia set   
   > in.   
      
   Paranoia can change the sound that's *perceived* - it's part of   
   PSYCHOacoustics ;)   
      
   > It will for my mic. And on my songs. I'm spending the week repairing all   
   > the mix damage I've done to my material since this volume thing started.   
      
   You've sure been bending over backwards to make things work!   
   Too bad you're apparently not getting any help.   
      
   > I plan on offending all her ex band buddies this weekend.   
      
   Maybe you already are - by getting the gigs they can't, which would explain   
   the PsyWar Tactics of theirs.   
      
   > They aren't gonna like my songs at all.  Simple reason, I'm done trying to   
   > make them sound like a bunch of drunks in a loud cover band doing   
   > Freebird.   
      
   I can sure dig that! And if they really don't like it, they can always   
   'take' your gigs for themselves - yeah, right! ;)   
      
   Probably the reason why they don't like it - they can't get the gigs so all   
   the can do is take cheap shots at those who do and attack your singer with   
   PsyWar Tactics!   
      
   And that brings up a possible suggestion - why not ask those who are booking   
   your band, those who are paying for your shows, their opinions about your   
   sound?   
   Better to ask actual Customers than wannabe Competitors!!!   
   Sweet Rewards beats Sour Grapes any day!!!   
      
   > The bass and drums are going back to a proper balance with the rest of the   
   > stuff, and my mic's volume is staying where it is .... you'll be able to   
   > hear me because on my songs, I'm backing the music off to leave room for   
   > my mic to work.   
      
   I simply adjust the levels until it sounds right i.e. I can Clearly hear   
   Everything.   
      
   > Thought about that a lot today.  As far as I'm concerned, the brakes are   
   > off. I'm sick of people who don't know how to do my job telling me how I   
   > should be doing it.   
      
   The term for them is Arrogant Bastards!   
      
   > I can sound A LOT better than these " loud is all that matters " local   
   > bands.   
      
   And obviously those who are willing to pay bands to perform agree with you.   
      
   > And I'm gonna start. If band girl wants to stay in the 70's sound and gear   
   > wise, she's welcome. I'm past that.   
      
   Good and bad sound is timeless, and exists for exactly the same reasons,   
   either Skilled and Competent, for good sound, or Unskilled and Incompetent,   
   for the bad sound!   
      
   > Don't want any advice AT ALL from anyone who isn't paying me.   
      
   You could always tell them that you're *literally* being paid for NOT taking   
   their advice - that ought to score a direct hit!   
      
   > See, sometimes it bad enough you just gotta start fighting back.   
      
   Merely Defending against their Cheap Shot Attacks with something no   
   underhanded character can stand, the Truth!   
      
   > Mic's are mics. There isn't some magical " dial it in " setting.   
      
   Each venue is different which means all sound producing device - all the   
   instruments and all the voices Must be properly dialed-in each time...it's   
   all part of good soundwork!   
      
   > It works, or not.   
      
   Sound checks, I know, 'what  are those'? move things in the direction of it   
   works!   
      
   > You can adjust the tone and mess it up a little here and there, but you're   
   > not gonna do much to improve it.   
      
   It's definitely not easy and requires great skill.   
      
      
   > Look into what recording engineers say about eqing mics.  They will, but   
   > generally to eliminate some ugly resonance, that's about all.   
      
   EQ-ing mics can change the character of the singer's voice so much, it won't   
   even sound like them. On the other hand, maybe that's what the singer wants,   
   but in either case, it still requires a lot of skill to do it right.   
      
   > Nothing will help.   Anything I do.  Anything at all, and she'll freakout   
   > even more.  It's all in her head.  Period.  End of story.   
      
   Maybe she should try setting things up ;)   
      
   > She has some vague memories of being 21 and in some screaming bar band,   
   > and best I can tell that memory is burnt into her head.  Oh, and it   
   > doesn't help that she REGULARLY talks to the guitar guy from that old   
   > band, and asks his advice on our setup. He's never seen us. Doesn't live   
   > in this state. But she still takes his advice. Which was ...... turn the   
   > drums and bass up.   
      
   > Really.   
      
   Sounds just plain Silly.   
      
   > That was his advice on our sound.  Turn the drums and bass up as loud as   
   > we can get away with. Told her that's the key to being a successful bar   
   > band.   
      
   If Deafness is the objective, sure.   
      
   > Oh, and he doesn't like In Ear monitors.  He has, of course, never used   
   > any, but he reads on the net all the possible problems. Talks to here then   
   > she recites to me those exact fears you find on web pages of guys who   
   > don't like in ears.  Since she's barely tried them, I know where the ideas   
   > came from. I read on the net too.   
      
   I can understand his point of view there - he doesn't know how to do sound   
   so it sounds like Crap...and IEMs would only make it worse by having that   
   same, Incompetent Crap sound coming from something stuck into the ears ;)   
   That's kind of the problem I had with trying them at church...but I'd still   
   like to try them with Skillfully done sound!   
      
      
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