From: someone@anywheret.net   
      
   "JimD"  wrote in message news:2018100319424567793-email@nowherecom...   
      
   > This is a new thing as far as live use, so people haven't settled in some   
   > standard of what a " click " should sound like. Or, if they have they're   
   > keeping it secret from me :-)   
      
   ANY sound desired should be available for a click track, even if,   
   Particularly if it doesn't sound  like a click ;)   
      
   > Two approaches. WIth semi pro drummers ( churches and similar ) sometimes   
   > the " click " isn't a click, it's a basic drum beat, played out in the   
   > open so everyone can hear it, audience included.   
      
   I prefer a natural sound, like an actual drum beat - not too sure about   
   letting the audience hear it though.   
      
   > In studios, and likely with pro drummers, the " click " is in the drummers   
   > headphones / in ears and is some other sound, something they won't confuse   
   > with their own drum sounds. The audience doesn't hear that type of click.   
      
   Just so long as the player(s) who has to listen to it doesn't get annoyed   
   with the sound of it ;)   
      
   > The difference is, in the pro setup, if the drummer loses it, the whole   
   > band is toast. The drummer hears the click, the rest of the players hear   
   > him playing. He ABSOLUTELY has to stay with the click.   
      
   A pro setup requires pro players ;)   
      
   > In the semi pro setup, everyone hears the  " click " --- a basic drum set   
   > playing on the tracks. This way, if the drummer gets lost / confused, it   
   > isn't a catastrophie, as the rest of the band can still hear the track   
   > timebase, the click.   
      
   I've personally experienced that getting lost can result from distractions,   
   so I wonder if such a track could ever sometimes actually BE such a   
   distraction.   
      
   Playing Music does require a lot of concentration, which is why recordings   
   are usually done in a studio, because the  word "studio" is a derivative of   
   a word that means "to study", a condition of a very high degree of mental   
   focus, like taking a test, where distractions can be very counterproductive,   
   and in a very real way, playing and singing is very much a test of sorts,   
   particularly when done Live, before an audience, and subject to the same   
   kinds of problems and requiring the same kinds of Discipline.   
      
   > Yes, there are some jobs where being a screwup isn't acceptable.   
      
   ANY job that's worthy of being done!   
      
   > We have to transition him out. No hard feelings necessary.   
      
   Sounds like some kind of slow  process ;)   
      
   > Canton.  Akron is about, eh, 25 miles north, more or less depending on   
   > which suburb you want to count as " might as well be the city ".   
      
   I haven't been there...only Seville, west of Akron and northwest of you.   
      
   > I don't have a problem with anyone who does covers well. Skynyrd or   
   > whomever.  My point was when that's ALL they know, and they don't even   
   > know how limiting thinking like that is.  Or is it ?   Maybe all they want   
   > to do is play that stuff. In that case God bless them.   
      
   If they're putting in the effort to do covers well, they'd do much better to   
   put that  same effort into Originals!   
      
   > A person has to believe they can accomplish something if they plan on   
   > doind it and succeeding.   
      
   A person also has to Know they Will accomplish the objective because they   
   won't stop until they do!   
      
   > Sorry about your mucus problem.   
      
   I sure wish it would be Cured!   
      
   > I call them better singers because they have better technique.   
      
   Not necessarily better, only more developed, and anyone can work on that - I   
   need to.   
      
   > They hear and can reproduce subtle things in songs I don't.  That comes,   
   > as   
   > you say, from having spentr massive time learing to do that.   
      
   Anyone can do that, another reason why I need to stick with with the   
   Originals I wrote, so I can also practice singing them.   
      
   > I'm talking about people with great voices and great technique.  Sure,   
   > anyone can " sing " to one degree or another.   
      
   Develop it into a great technique, and most of all, an Individual one whose   
   uniqueness entices others to listen.   
      
   > Hope that happens.   
      
   I *have to* get my Music out there to be heard - that's why I wrote it!   
      
   > Pro's understand that working with clicks is a basic job requirement   
   > now. Either learn to do that, or get outta town.   
      
   That's probably why there are more pleasing sounds to use as clicks.   
      
   > No. They aren't " recordings " in the analog sense.  They are mostly   
   > MIDI, a digital technology.  And the instruments aren't mixed together   
   > in a project. They stay separate.  I can go in and redo, edit, or   
   > completely replay and instrument or section.  Do it all the time.   
      
   My Fostex MR-8 Multitrack digital recorder enables saving individual tracks   
   to their own files too.   
      
   > as long as you believe that's what it is, you'll never have enough   
   > interest to figure out what it is we are actually doing.   
      
   That's because when I play keys along with tracks, it IS Karaoke for my   
   keyboards, just as singing along with tracks I Karaoke for vocals.   
      
   > Probably.  I don't bother looking into that because I have no desire to   
   > rearrange our tunes as we play them.  If I can't decide how I want a   
   > song played before showtime ... then I might as well just be in a jam   
   > band and make it all up on the fly.   
      
   I like to think of that as being Dynamic, and being Stuck with one way of   
   doing the  song as Static.   
      
   > Why would I want to  ?  Bands can't function if various members insist   
   > on " going their own way " when working live.  You're either seriously   
   > misinformed about working as a team, or you're just playing with me.   
      
   I was referring merely to not being Stuck to the 'script', even when acting,   
   as in theater, movies, radio, and television programs, some of the greatest   
   moments are when the players adlib or otherwise don't stick to the  script,   
   sort of like jamming, and being Dynamic.   
      
   > I have friends and relatives that work in big bands. That stuff was   
   > foreign to me for a long time.  Now I like it.   
      
   > You'd have to play each song twice so the audience would know that you   
   > hadn't planned to to play it as you did the first time.  Variation   
   > would only show up on repeated playing ... with versions that differed.   
      
   There's always variation in each and every playing of a piece, because  of   
   Dynamics, but tracks don't do that, because they're Static and thus never   
   change.   
      
   > If I play it, that's how I intended to play it.   
      
   Or that's how it happened to come out ;)   
      
   > Or ,,,,,   
      
   > If I play it, I really planned on playing it differently but changed my   
   > mind during the song and then played it as I did.   
      
   That happens too, a lot...it's all part of Dynamics and the reason why Live   
   Must be Totally Live!   
      
   > How would you ever know ?   
      
   One wouldn't know, only hear the result, and that's the Important part...so   
      
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