From: someone@anywheret.net   
      
   "JimD"  wrote in message news:2018100819245359805-email@nowherecom...   
      
   > Right.  But the drummer needs to be involved, to be active in the process.   
   > He can't just show up at gigs and the occasional reheasal expecting me to   
   > have all this ready to serve up on a silver platter.   
      
   So the drummer is supposed to set that up?   
      
   > yeah, I don't know.  Wife can work with basic drum sounds, a kick and   
   > snare, as a " click " in her in ears.   
      
   Those sounds are fine, particularly if the high end 'crispness' is   
   attenuated.   
      
   > They can adjust it to suit themselves. But again, they have to be   
   > involved. Not just sit back and expect others to make them happy.   
      
   In what way(s) are they supposed to be involved with that?   
      
   > Learning to drive at first requires total mental concentration. After a   
   > while, after you learn what gears are what and where the wiped controls   
   > are, you're brain relaxes a bit and does a lot in the background.   
      
   Yeah, I sure remember that from high school when I was in driver ed - and   
   the instructor asked me to roll down the window and I almost freaked...I was   
   about to say; WHAT! NOW?, I CAN'T! I'M DRIVING! ;)   
      
   > Same with listening to a click. Or to the other players. If it's a   
   > struggle, then struggle, get past it, and learn to play in a group   
   > setting.   
      
   That's a bit different - not nearly as potentially dangerous as driving ;)   
   Besides, in response to a question I'd mentioned earlier about the   
   possibility of annoying clicks actually being a distraction, I'd venture to   
   say that they most definitely are a distraction because when they're   
   annoying, they generate stress, and stress distracts from concentration.   
      
   > You've never been around union workers much, eh ?   Or government " civil   
   > servants " :-)   
      
   Sure I have - they're called "Factory Morons".   
      
   > Doesn't matter. We're booking next year at this point, and he's out of   
   > those.   
      
   Sounds like moving right along then.   
      
   > Doing cover, if you're all into the " tribute " thing of exactly copying   
   > someone, is hard and it's a waste unless the pay is HUGE.  I wouldn't do   
   > that. Too restrictive.   
      
   The 'pay' that matters most to me is my EnJOYment of performing Music, a   
   labor of Love, and there's NO WAY I intend to Waste what's left of my life   
   doing something I don't like anymore - been there before, done it, Wasted my   
   life, and have Resolved that I've had enough of it...as I've been restricted   
   more than enough!   
      
   > Life's little challenges ...   
      
   I'm only aware of one kind of challenge, monumental ones!   
   Anything smaller wouldn't be a challenge ;)   
      
   > Do it.   
      
   I plan to, but exploring to find the path to making that happen is taking   
   longer than I'd like.   
      
   > a car horn maybe ?   
      
   As clicks? No, not a car horn, something else instead. What Eddie Rabbitt's   
   lyrics mentioned in "Drivin' My Life Away":   
      
   "...Those windshield wipers slappin' outta tempo..." now there's a click   
   track ;)   
      
   > but they aren't midi. so they aren't editable in the way ours are.   
      
   Why would you want to edit old tracks rather than record new ones?   
      
   > We use to do tv.   Sometimes we'd play everything " live ".  Not live   
   > live, live as in recorded on video tape.  The shows aired at other times   
   > than when we recorded then, they were all on tape. Other times the singers   
   > would sing on camera over music we recorded earlier off camera.   
      
   So that's how you learned to put up with mixing Live with recorded ;)   
      
   > ah, but random improvising sometimes isn't acceptable.   
      
   Random implies anything, but the Requirement to stay with the structure and   
   melody, means only certain notes, chords, and styles are acceptable, so   
   improvising cannot be done at random, but rather must be Appropriate for the   
   song.   
      
   > They change all the time. I spent hours today redoing the mix and the   
   > pedal steel track on a song for this weekend. It ( the tracks ) don't   
   > sound much like they did yesterday.  I do this all the time. I enjoy   
   > redoing the backings.   
      
   But wouldn't it be better to have a library of tracks to choose from rather   
   than editing and re-editing old tracks?   
      
   > but you as a listener would never know ......   in a blind test, you   
   > couldn't tell.   
      
   Possibly not be sight, if blind, but Definitely by hearing, and by   
   Vibe...but then I do tend to pay close attention...which is why it's so   
   Critically Vital that I Clearly hear Everything!   
      
   But it would take more effort to detect such things. On the other hand, if   
   everyone played in the dark or at least in very dim lighting, that might   
   make such detection more difficult.   
      
   > So that it matters is all in your attitude of disliking tracks.   
      
   I listen to tracks all the time, on recordings, even make them myself when   
   recording demos of my Originals.   
   It's just where a Live performance is concerned that tracks don't   
   belong...because they're not Live!   
      
   > I don't want that much spontaneity.   
      
   There's no such thing as too much spontaneity...it's what puts the Life in a   
   Live peformance ;)   
      
   > no.  It exists as a collection of " tracks ", each of those is one   
   > instrument playing whatever it does in the song.   
      
   If you're not converting chords from audio, what do you do about getting   
   chords in midi?   
      
   > Enjoy the vibe.  I sort of understand that feeling. After all, I've played   
   > in totally live bands since about 1964 or 65 or so.   Been there. Get it.   
      
   I figured you'd have encountered some great Vibes in all that playing - it's   
   really not worth playing without them because then it's not fun!   
      
   > I just don't want the hassle at this poing in my life. I much rather   
   > showing up, playing the gig, enjoy doing it, get paid, go home .... all   
   > without the hassle and drama of other players.   
      
   It's such a shame that there are so many Idiots out there too Immature to be   
   team players, that it would drive you to such desperation as to try to   
   replace them with recordings.   
      
   > Plus I really enjoy making my backing tracks. Plus, I've learned an   
   > indescrible amount by looking at other peoples files and modifying them.   
      
   JimD   
      
   You have access to others' tracks too?   
      
   Ouisie   
      
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