From: someone@anywheret.net   
      
   "JimD"  wrote in message news:2018101600165996253-email@nowherecom...   
      
   > we only had one monitor speaker, and so one mix for that. It wasn't the   
   > same as the FOH mix.   
      
   So does that mean that besides the single monitor speaker, the rest were   
   IEMs, or were the FOH speakers sufficient for 'monitors'?   
      
   > It is, but that isn't relevent.  She controlled the mix for it from her   
   > iPhone, attached to her mic stand with a clip of some kind.   From that   
   > she could adjust the levels of any of the channels in the pa or the   
   > monitor overall level.  I could also adjust the overall level of that   
   > monitor from the android pad on my keyboard. I didn't have acess to the   
   > individual channel levels she did.  We didn't have to reach over and   
   > adjust anything on the speaker itself.   
      
   That is soooo cool!   
      
   > Well, some people like it loud ... what else is there to say ?   
      
   What else there is to say is one very simple question, WHY?   
      
   > Or, more like, everyone needs to hear themselves, and that's tricky to do   
   > on a small stage where all the sounds are competing with each other.   
      
   If that's all it is, then the proper levels can be set, but if it's because   
   of ego problems, then it'll be a volume war.   
      
   > Right. There isn't.  In fact, there'd be NO speakers on the stage at all   
   > if we didn't take the EON.   Why should there be ?    The point of in ears   
   > is to get rid of the floor wedges. In ears work better, sound better, are   
   > drastically easier to transport ... better all around. Except if you just   
   > don't want to use them.   
      
   I really do have a problem with anything stuck into my ears for any length   
   of time, so when I tried IEMs at church, I discovered that since the sound   
   person keeps me turned down so that I pretty much can't hear myself, I could   
   take the IEMs out and hear myself just as poorly as I could with them stuck   
   into my ears. In fact, because fortunately I play an acoustic piano, I could   
   at least hear that *independently* from the sound person's Incompetence and   
   not ALSO have to Endure my ears being Plugged!   
      
   That means that while I was definitely motivated to take the IEMs out, I   
   still don't know if by GOOD SOUNDWORK on the part of a Competent sound   
   person, I could be sufficiently motivated to keep the IEMs in and endure   
   them - because then, the sound would be like it should be.   
      
   > I can easily function with even just hearing the backwash from the FOH   
   > cabs.   
      
   I HATE that!!! Done it too many times and it Always sounds Terrible...enough   
   to make me start to panic, because I can't Clearly hear everything, and it   
   sounds a million miles away! So  I can function that way too...just   
   barely...and that's no fun!   
      
   > I'm not sensitive to how cool it sounds onstage. I expect the stage sound   
   > to be weird.   
      
   I expect it to sound cool, and Awesome...because I want that Vibe!   
      
   > All I need is to hear the bass, basically.  If I can hear that, I'm good.   
   > See, I don't care if it sounds good onstage. I care that the audience   
   > hears well. And I trust the pa.  It works. And it will work even without   
   > me worrying about it all the time, or without me needing to check it   
   > constantly. It works.   
      
   I NEED the sound to be right to get into the Vibe, so no matter how   
   confident I may be that the audience is hearing the right nix, I have to be   
   just as confident that I'm hearing the right mix too!   
      
   > I know that.   I actually TRUST the PA.   
      
   But for me, knowing isn't hearing, and I've got to Hear it!   
      
   > So I don't get upset if it soulds a little off this way or that to ME   
   > onstage.  What I hear isn't important as long as I can play.   
      
   What I hear can either Encourage me or Discourage me and I Never want to be   
   discouraged when I play!   
   If that happens, it'll be psychologically Damaging, like it is at church,   
   where my 'morale' and self 'confidence' are pretty much at ZERO, thanks to   
   the Incompetence - I ***MUST*** HAVE CONFIRMATION IN THE FORM OF   
   ***POSITIVE***FEEDBACK when I play and that means Hearing a Proper mix!!!   
      
   > Some of my band people don't think like that. They don't trust the pa.   
   > They panic if the stage sound isn't perfect.   Whatever.   
      
   It's NOT about trust, it's  about the Positive Feedback, a kind of   
   biofeedback, that Confirms to them by actually Hearing it, that things are   
   as they  should be.   
      
   > Loud bands cost all of us work, eventually.  Over time they run places out   
   > of business. Luckily it's a cyclical thing.   
      
   And playing Stale CopyCatfish Crap does that too.   
      
   > After this generation of dumbasses is gone, the next one will be more   
   > sensible. I see that already in some of the younger musicians I know. They   
   > didn't grow up imagining themselves onstage with a wall of amps behind   
   > them.   
      
   I did, and I heard the garage bands seeing how loud they could get, and I   
   knew way back then, when I was a little kid being impressed with what the   
   musicians were doing, that they needed to turn it down, because Maturity is   
   either someone has, or doesn't, and I acquired mine, particularly with   
   regards to sound levels, at a very early age, because I'd already   
   experienced the Bad Examples for myself.   
      
   > That guy has some fun to watch videos.  Maybe as good as tractor pulling   
   > compilation videos. .. where the tractors break or catch fire or blow   
   > apart .  Geez, those are fun to watch :-)   
      
   JimD   
      
   Never saw the tractor pull videos, but that sound engineer sure  seems like   
   he's fed up with Idiots too.   
      
   Ouisie   
      
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