From: someone@anywheret.net   
      
   "JimD"  wrote in message news:2018101722142039907-email@nowherecom...   
      
   > the Loud drummer was using in ears ..... MOST OF THE TIME .... save right   
   > after our break ... where he didn't put them in .... and absolutely   
   > WRECKED two songs .... then, well, he did put them back in.  Same ol' same   
   > ol :-)   
      
   Doesn't sound like a lot of options with that, or is that only because the   
   drummer's drums wash out all the other sounds for him if he doesn't wear the   
   IEMs?   
      
   > and so easy, and so obvious. and yet they've fought me for nearly two   
   > years now over it.  simply because that isn't how they did it back a long   
   > time ago.   
      
   How did they do it a long time ago? Did they do it at all back then?   
      
   > oh. it's a volume war alright.  Well, really, we sometimes play two or so   
   > songs before the ramp up starts .  It's kinda funny really.   
      
   I've been there all too many times, and it's not funny, it's disgusting,   
   little by little louder and louder, more and more painful, and ears   
   ringing...no fun!   
      
   > oh well, if you don't like them, don't use them.  In a totally acoustic   
   > band, as in, you dont' need to hear any click track, or follow any   
   > prerecorded things, then who needs monitors.   
      
   I like a good mix where everyone is clearly heard, and I'll even force   
   myself to endure IEMs...*IF* the mix is the right one, or I can adjust my   
   monitor mix with an XR18 or such, but if I have to depend on an incompetent,   
   I'd rather yank out the IEMs.   
      
   > Just play whatever you feel like and expect everyone else to follow you.   
   > That seems to be the formula.   
      
   I've got a lot of experience in following, but it's very stressful and not   
   much fun.   
      
   > it's not about fun, it's about what will work in any given situation.   
      
   If it works, then no problem but it's no fun if it doesn't.   
      
   > not every hall is ideal for music, nor is every stage big enough to set up   
   > like a Fleetwood Mac concert.  Sometimes you have to play with what's   
   > available.  And believe me, we've worked on some crap stages over the   
   > years.   
      
   I can't remember ever working a stage where things sounded like they should.   
      
   > If you somehow avoided being in any loud bands in the 60's or 70's, that's   
   > great, and it's amazing.   
      
   I've never avoided *any* loud bands but at least didn't have too much of a   
   problem with them, in one case because I wore earplugs.   
      
   > Every band I was ever in, or near that had people my own age, was all   
   > about loud. Some bands I played in, were the leader or other people were   
   > older, had a grip on volume. But the kid bands, when I was a kid myself,   
   > no way ... we played as loud as the gear would go. Always.   
      
   If the kid bands keep being Stupid, they'll lose their hearing at an early   
   age then grow into older Stupid, Deaf Idiots.   
   If you knew of some older band members who had that grip on volume, it's   
   probably because they learned not to be Stupid when they were still young.   
      
   > Theyre out there, look around.   
      
   JimD   
      
   Never been interested in tractor pull contests, which is why I probably   
   never looked for the videos ;)   
      
   Ouisie   
      
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