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   "Jim D"  wrote in message news:2019021308371952234-Not@ThisAddresscom...   
      
   > If you're using IEM's then what you hear is the IEM's.  If you aren't then   
   > this setup isn't doable.   
      
   > I'm thinking of people in studios making recordings.  Wearing headphones   
   > has been the norm for decades.   They seem to be able to hear ok.   
      
   I could probably tolerate headphones a lot longer than IEMs.   
      
   > The big difference is in how much better it will sound to the audience.   
      
   But that won't help the musicians to hear it better, so they can perform   
   better, and that's the problem.   
      
   > These loud guys are driving themselves to extinction.   
      
   Well, their hearing anyway, along with anyone close enough to be in the   
   Excessive sound pressure Danger zone.   
      
   > Fine by me.    I'm thinking back now to one of my buddies bands, about 6   
   > or so years back, playing a " biker " bar. They were stupid loud.  I could   
   > barely stand being in the place.  Weirdness was ... it seems everyone else   
   > was just fine with that sound level.   
      
   Nothing weird about it - ever hear their Stupid Loud bikes?   
   That kind of lets you know what you're in for ;)   
      
   > Well, everyone except the management.   
      
   Probably have mufflers on their bikes ;)   
      
   > They had reservations ... told the band that as long as the sound level   
   > didn't exceed 115 at the bar in the adjoining room, it was ok.   
      
   That's still too loud.   
      
   > What amazes me now is that the people there actually seems to want things   
   > that loud.   
      
   Because they're deaf.   
      
   > I was shocked by their sound check.  The drummer was just off the page   
   > loud, and in a relatively small room.   
      
   Giving the Idiots the hearing aid effect at the expense of those who can   
   still hear.   
      
   > What I know NOW that I didn't know then, was that he wore earplugs.  Not   
   > IEM's, just regular sound deadening ear plugs. The reason was ... he   
   > didn't want to ruin his OWN hearing.   
      
   That's probably because he knows that if he wants to work, he's got to be   
   able to hear!   
      
   > trying to bring mis-informed a amatures up to speed is often a lost cause.   
   > On the talkbass thread about " are bass amps obsolete ", one of the best   
   > responses was that some people hold on to big old amps out of  .....   
   > stubbornness and inertia.   That about sums this whole thing up about   
   > being far too loud on the stage.   
      
   When I use audio equipment, it's  for a Valid, Intelligent reason, and I   
   just can't appreciate ANY other.   
      
   In other words, there's nothing wrong with bass amps, but there is   
   everything wrong with Idiots who don't know how to use  them!   
      
   > Those two words describe our old loud drummers attitude exactly.  He   
   > always did things a certain way, and he wasn't about to change.   
      
   I do lots of things certain ways but for specific reasons related to their   
   use, which means that I'm always adjusting things, for a reason, but that's   
   about being reasonable, not UNreasonable.   
      
   > Times change. Practices / methods of working change.  Some people don't.   
   > Don't want to.  Don't think they need to.  Just won't.  So then you leave   
   > them and move on.   
      
   Hearing requirements never change.   
      
   > We did.  Oh, and both of our old guys called this week wanting to know if   
   > we had any work they could come along on.  Both of them, loud drummer and   
   > " other guy ".   
      
   > Sadly, I couldn't offer them anything.  Not because we're not working,   
   > we're booked solid. We just don't need them and their problems.  We have   
   > new problems of our own now .... like .... what gigs to turn down because   
   > we can't do them all.  Seriously :-)   
      
      
   JimD   
      
   Maybe you should tell them that and see if they can get a clue THEN! ;)   
      
   Ouisie   
      
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