From: someone@anywheret.net   
      
   "JimD"  wrote in message news:2016113000132527664-email@nowherecom...   
      
   > I'm talking about the effect itself, not what it's sometimes used for.   
   > Basically it's the concept that you can't hear a cat purring in a room   
   > with a vaccum cleaner running, even tho you could have heard the cat   
   > perfectly well if the vacuum were shot off.   
      
   White noise is what's most often used to wash out or mask other sounds   
   because of the complex waveforms and wide range of frequencies involved.   
   It's very good when you suspect eavesdropping and need to say something that   
   won't get picked up, which can be as easy as tuning an FM radio between   
   stations and cranking up the volume, which is usually a very good source of   
   white noise.   
      
   > AM ( an abreviation of the words ) seems to be a foreign concept to some   
   > people.   
      
   The only AM I know of is Amplitude Modulation.   
      
   > If one or more instruments get loud enough onstage, then it becomes   
   > physically impossile to hear other, lower level sounds.  If you doubt   
   > that, take your cell phone out side, bend down in front of a car and let   
   > someone lay on the horn ( 115 db ) then try to use the phone to call   
   > someone and talk.   
      
   It's called signal to noise ratio, or in this case, more like noise to   
   signal ratio ;)   
      
   > Nope, they won't work.  I have a really nice Audio Technica M3 ( I think )   
   > system.  It's ear pieces won't go nearly loud enough to be heard on our   
   > stage.  I suppose I could have some custom isolation earpieces made ...   
      
   I hope everyone's wearing hearing protection...including the audience!   
      
   > Or we could TURN THE HELL DOWN >>>>>>>>>>   
      
   Now  THERE's an idea!!! ;)   
      
   > Deaf ?   Maybe that's why.   
      
   Only a Total FOOL would Destroy the ONLY means for enjoying Music!!!   
      
   > Or, perhaps he's clutching at straws, looking for yet another reason why   
   > he can't seem to work with this stuff.   
      
   Just have to test to rule things out to determine precisely what it really   
   is.   
      
   > I actually tried a system like that a long long time ago. The drummer back   
   > then just flat out ingnored it.   
      
   They should at least practice with them sometimes.   
      
   > Not gonna happen. I'm at the end of my rope on this issue.   
      
   Probably for an ultimatum about being too loud.   
      
   > They want to " feel " the music.  In other words, they aren't serious.   
      
   I like to feel the bass from a 64' organ pipe...and when properly eq'd, the   
   bass can be boosted enough to feel it...unless they're talking about   
   'feeling' something else.   
      
   > Gee, I know a band, not us, that got fired just last week over volume.  So   
   > that does happen.   
      
   And it could even possibly raise legal issues related to Dangerous sound   
   pressure levels.   
      
   > I don't believe there's any way for the drummer to be happy with a bass   
   > amp in his ear.  He'll just play louder, and in the process drive the   
   > entire stage level to unbearable.  It won't work, I'm not gonna bother   
   > even setting something that crazy up.   
      
   Maybe a Plexiglas enclosure.   
      
   > I did look at both the links you sent.  Kinda picked people who don't like   
   > tracks, didn't ya ?   
      
   I guess there are still enough people around who prefer Living to   
   Nonliving...which means that Happily, not  everyone is  a Robot, yet.   
      
   > DId you look for people who used them, to see maybe why they do ?   
      
   The link with the video interview mentioned why they're used, and that's to   
   present the Illusion of 'perfection'...along with all other manner of   
   DisHonest Trickery to Fool the  FOOLS into thinking the CRAP they're   
   listening to is somehow 'perfect'...when in Reality, ONLY Creative,   
   Innovative Original material, Skillfully Played, NOT technical hocus-pocus,   
   is what Truly makes The  Difference.   
      
   > Multi track recording systems.   
      
   No problem there, I even have a small one at home I use for demos.   
      
   > it seems inevitable.   
      
   Maybe he should  get his hearing tested by an audiologist.   
      
   > At rehearsals he uses our Rolans v drums, you know, " fake" electronic   
   > ones :-)   They are a zillion times quieter than his acoustic set when   
   > he's wailing on that.   
      
   Of course, until the  amp they're being played through gets turned  up.   
      
      
   >   
   >> I love those shows. And there sure are plenty of episodes where the "   
   >> captain " thought he knew better than the instrumentation.  How did that   
   >> turn out ?  Well, the show's name includes the words " air crash " ....   
   >> :-)   
   >   
   > Shows? What shows are they? Never heard of a show that has "air crash" in   
   > its name, but I figured it had to be something like that.   
      
   > Try typing that into the search box on YouTube :-)   
      
   Tried it, didn't get anything useful. What are the rest of the details?   
      
   > My buddies band use to play a biker bar.  The rule there is the band can't   
   > exceed 115 db, at th bar in the adjoining room.  Seriously.   
      
   Only 115 dB - is  that  all? ;) I know, they got that level as the average   
   sound pressure of a typically Improperly mufflered Harley ;)   
      
   > That's what they were told.  And you know, I bet they came real close.   
   > It's probably an OSHA workplace law thing.   
      
   There's one of those 'legal' situations.   
      
   > Duo tomorrow.  I'll be past thinking about the ridiculous band issues.   
   > Bands are nothing but problems.   
      
   Jim   
      
   Back to Music...me too! Got a rehearsal tonight with my Soulmate...the tunes   
   are coming together!   
      
   Ouisie   
      
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