From: someone@anywheret.net   
      
   "JimD"  wrote in message news:2016121200414773157-email@nowherecom...   
      
   > that's just how it goes .... get a small amp, fry it or just decide you   
   > need louder after a while ... up until you don't have any more gigs   
   > because no one else wants to hear it.   
      
   I'll have Nothing to do with such IDIOTS!!!   
   They can go Deaf all by themselves!!!   
      
   > Our drummer did great today. Used his headphones for the " tracks "   
   > portion of our gig.  He stayed in time well. I did notice a few times when   
   > the vocals were pulling ahead ,,,, he resisted. That's because I program   
   > the bass and other fake stuff to play at the songs original tempo, and   
   > that's what they do. Out live, live players tend to want to generate   
   > excitement by speeding up, or just playing something too fast. We had a   
   > little of that today, but nothing disasterous.   
      
   Maybe he's got 'hot & cold' running hearing, and/or feelings about it ;)   
      
   > I have a loaded gun with me nearly all the time.  Just have to say, it's   
   > yet to develope a mind of its own and shoot me, or anyone else :-) It   
   > takes a person to fire it. Guns aren't evil. They are tools.  Some people   
   > are very evil tho.   
      
   I was referring to an Idiot, who doesn't know, or care to handle a gun   
   safely - they're always among the favorite poster children for the Citizen   
   Disarmament aka 'gun control' crowd.   
      
   > Well, there ya go.  People are more and more not tolerating loud.   
      
   And not one instant too early either! I don't mind 'loud' to some extent,   
   but rather HOW Loud! That's what matters!   
      
   > We used two side fill monitors today. 10 and a horn in each.  No vocals in   
   > them, only instruments.  Drummer used headphones.  That was it. No wedges.   
   > Those things don't help. They just cause the stage level to be louder.   
      
   Cabinets that size should at very least be figured into the  overall sound   
   and ideally should be placed so the audience can hear them too.   
      
   > I tool the IEM's, tried to use them. That didn't work out, as there wasn't   
   > any easy way to route what I needed into them.  Our drummer was using the   
   > AUX 1 buss on the Mackie for his headphone feed. That only left AUX 2,   
   > which maybe would have worked had I tried it.  I did try the headphone out   
   > on the board to feed the IEM transmitter, but that had far too much vocal   
   > level as compared to instruments.  Also tried one od the stereo outs on my   
   > 6i6 ... but got almost no level showing up.  It's a puzzle.  In any case,   
   > we were actually doing a show, so I couldn't spend too much time messing   
   > with that.  I'll work on it at home before the next live try.  Thought it   
   > would be easy to tie in, it wasn't :-)   
      
   Nothing like being under the gun, the pressure of doing a show, and having   
   to leave the experimentation for another time.   
   Kind of  like what I'm going through now with our Christmas Eve eve duo gig   
   rapidly approaching.   
      
   > We have some Hot Spots. They don't work for our purposes, which it to hear   
   > the music .. not the vocals. At reasonable levels ( below aroung 90 db )   
   > I can sing and hear myself just fine without monitors. But without   
   > something making sound, I can't hear my instruments at all.  Reason the   
   > Hot Spots don't work is that they are made for vocals, not instruments,   
   > and have a deliberately limited bandwidth. They cut the low end off, and   
   > so sound clearer with vocals. Ah, but that also means you can't use them   
   > as bass cabs :-)   
      
   It's Critical to hear Both your instrument and vocals, and along of course,   
   with everyone else's instruments and vocals ;)   
   That's why I like the idea of very near field very small monitors.   
      
   > Even the side fills we used today ( Peavey PR 10's ) sounded pretty lean   
   > on the bass end, compared to the JBL main cabs.  No surprise there.   
      
   Put them in the quarter space as much as possible if you can.   
      
   > Did I mention the volume levels were much better today ?  Well, they were.   
   > Much.   Drummer seems to have taken an interest in keeping what's left of   
   > his hearing. He told me he found some article online that said a snare   
   > rimshot can hit 136 db. That impressed him. He actually played easier   
   > today.  Maybe things will work out.   
      
      
   Jim   
      
   When the proper attention and respect is given to sound levels, it's not   
   difficult at all to keep them within a safe range.   
   As for a rimshot being 136 dB, that alone is not a problem, but rather, just   
   like anything else in this universe, it's the *power* that does the damage.   
   I'm sure if you saw the audio spectrum of that rimshot, it would be very   
   brief and that peak level of 136 dB would probably last only a couple of   
   milliseconds, and the  *frequencies* and particularly the *distance* at   
   which the 136 dB spl measurement was made is  also critical.   
      
   Ouisie   
      
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