On 2015-04-21 14:07:06 -0500, Louise  said:   
      
   > Jim D  wrote in   
   > news:2015042110405533301-Not@ThisAddresscom:   
   >   
   >> yep, actually out playing turns into  . . . work . . . eventually. And   
   >> then at some point you'll want paid.   
   >   
   > I want to be paid now, because I've got expenses - but that's still not   
   > what motivates me to play...and did we *JAM* last night, never   
   > experienced anything like it previously. So I didn't get to sing for the   
   > first time, but that was because nobody really knew my Original material   
   > or the covers I'm into...but I knew theirs ;) So I made the choice to GET   
   > DOWN instead!   
   >   
   >> My charge passed.  Took her two runs thru the course, but she's ok.   
   >> The guy my brother was coaching didn't.  He fired a few wild rounds,   
   >> got pissed and left the range.  Oh well.   
   >   
   > That doesn't sound too cool.   
   >   
   >> You seem to be all concerned with the process, rather than the music.   
   >> The two are separate things, you know. Ok, in your mind they aren't,   
   >> but in reality they are.   
   >   
   > An analog to that would be that I'm concerned with the process rather   
   > than the food i.e. I don't want Poisons and other artificial Crap or GMOs   
   > in what I eat...and it's the same with the Music, for me at least.   
   >   
   >> " being there " is one thing, the music   
   >> produced is something else. The music can be recorded, that happens   
   >> all the time at concerts.  Being there is the physical event that many   
   >> people will pay, and pay dearly, to experience.   
   >   
   > *Truly* being there, as in Actually INTO the Music, i.e. the Love Vibe,   
   > is what it's all about for me.   
   >   
   >> Sound wise, the computes win hands down easy.   You might not like   
   >> that they can tirelessly reproduce the best performace I can manage,   
   >> but they still can. They can't play stuff * I * can't play or program   
   >> ... at least as long as I'm the one doing the playing.  If someone   
   >> better than me plays a better keyboard track than I can, then, well,   
   >> the computer can play that, but that's not me.  I try to avoid using   
   >> other peoples tracks as much as possible. Sometimes I do, when time is   
   >> short or the song isn't worth the bother of redoing it. Why reinvent   
   >> the wheel, especially when the wheel in question is a crap song I   
   >> don't care for and that we won't play more than a few times at best ?   
   >> In those cases, if I already have a usable sequence we can move to a   
   >> good key and tweek a bit to make it tolearable, I'll do that, even if   
   >> I personally didn't play the string part :-)   
   >   
   > I fully understand what's going on here...merely using efficient TOOLS to   
   > do a job, a Chore, so you can get paid for it - that's all Music has been   
   > Reduced Down to...and THAT's precisely what I have a problem with.   
   >   
   >> In software, this would be very much like using libraries.  No   
   >> sensible engineer would snub using already done code segments just   
   >> becase they would rather spend time rewritting them.   
   >   
   > But that's just it - Music is NOT software...it's something MUCH MORE!   
   >   
   >> I'm busy   
   >> researching building my own midi controller pedalboard. Been reading   
   >> up on one particular issue today, USB midi.  It would be far better   
   >> for me to not use the old style 5 pin midi connectors, but rather have   
   >> them USB like modern gear.  There are Arduino style boards that will   
   >> do that, that seem almost designed to do that. With these   
   >> microcontrollers come code library extensions so they will work.   
   >> Without the libraries, they simply won't work.   
   >   
   > Sure, but those are technical aspects - the actual Music is entirealy   
   > something else.   
   >   
   >> For now, I'll use the 5 pin connector and normal Arduinos.  If I get   
   >> into this, then specialized boards that are built to send midi over   
   >> usb would be a far better option.   
   >   
   > Does one (USB) work better than the other (5 pin)?   
   >   
   >> That brings up an interesting question.  It's related in a way.   
   >>   
   >> What is that actually happens when someone learns to play an   
   >> instrument.  Serious question, think about that a bit and give me your   
   >> thoughts.   
   >   
   > Synaptic patterns are established in the brain, as the result of   
   > Practice, enabling easier and better performance of what was previously   
   > learned.   
   >   
   >> Only if you narrowly define Live Performance as you do. Dj's firmly   
   >> believe they are alive and they perform all the time.   
   >   
   > ONLY they, personally, are alive, NOT the recordings they REplay.   
   >   
   >> Technology, in the sense we're using it isn't replacing talent. You   
   >> can't really replace a bass player that doesn't exist in the real   
   >> world, here and now.  It's replacing what some wish existed, but   
   >> doesn't.   Can you see that ?   
   >   
   > It's Substituting the NON-Living for the Living, and That's what I see.   
   >   
   >> We don't have a competent bass player, haven't had one for a while.   
   >> There aren't any around here that are both competent and available.   
   >> So how is it that we're " replacing " anyone ?   
   >   
   > Not replacing, substituting...and substituting ultimately results in   
   > replacing.   
   >   
   >> Answering my own phone is like I'm replacing a secretary ?   
   >   
   > That could be the case, but only if the secretary ONLY answers the phone,   
   > and I seriously doubt a secretary wouldn't also be expected to do other   
   > things than that.   
   >   
   >> I've   
   >> never had a personal assistant to answer my phone or respond to my   
   >> emails.  Never had a doorman to say " 'evenin' squire " and unlock my   
   >> door when I get home at night.  Nope, my computer isn't replacing   
   >> anyone. It's letting me do more than I could without it. It's a tool.   
   >> A really neat tool.   
   >>   
   >> Jim   
   >   
   > They're very good at that, but NOT for being substituted for a real Live   
   > person for a performance.   
   >   
   > Ouisie   
      
   Curious about the early Zager and Evans comment.  Because an old road   
   mate and great friend is friends with Rick Evans, I am also in the   
   conversations with those guys.  Rick Evans wrote the song and played   
   the guitar.  The trumpets were a hispanic band that was playing in a   
   club in the same town.  The bass player for the record is also in our   
   discussion group.  It was all real other than Zager had basically   
   nothing to do with it and got no royalties.  Just for the record   
   (pardon pun), Evans retired effectively off that one tune.  The reason   
   my old mate got to know him is that our band and  Z and E were both   
   booked out of KC by the same agency (Jackson Artists) in the 70s so   
   they hit it off when they were both playing Reno.  The song itself has   
   been rated one of the worst ever classic rock but I would be delighted   
   to have a written a song with the legs of In the Year 2525 (and to have   
   retired at 35...  ;-)   
      
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