From: someone@anywheret.net   
      
   "JimD"  wrote in message news:2017072411315966398-email@nowherecom...   
      
   > My brother works in the " real " audio business, so I've seen and used   
   > that level of gear.  Yes, more precise, but no better at all for our   
   > purposes.  What we need is a crude measuring stick.   
      
   Well of course I'd rather that than nothing at all, but given a choice, I'd   
   like something precise, able to be calibrated, and traceable to the former   
   NBS, now NIST, or some other definitive reference standard source.   
      
   > Something that deal with a band that wants 115 db of stage monitor level.   
      
   115dB! So they actually Want to go Deaf all the sooner?   
      
   > I don't need precise A or B or C weighting, or average RMS over time   
   > readouts for that. I need a cheap, simple db meter that's accurate within   
   > a few numbers.   
      
   A weighting is standard so depending on the versatility of the meter, it's   
   either selectable, or built in, as in fixed.   
      
   > Online is your friend.   
      
   Would that it  were...for me, it's a hassle, particularly since sellers are   
   so inflexible when it comes to payment methods.   
      
   > I ordered a new telescope yesterday online. It should be here tomorrow.   
   > Fall wil be here in no time, so I want to use what summer is left   
   > stargazing.  New scope, and a bunch of accessorie lenses and fiters. It's   
   > like Christmas in July :-)   Reason for the splurge ?   Guitar Center   
   > dropped the availability date on those   
      
   I ought to do something like that if I don't want to limit myself to online   
   star maps, which are quite good, but still, not the truly real thing.   
      
   > Steinbergers back again ... now it's Sept.  The date just keeps slipping.   
   > Like old computer vaporware, it's never quite available.  So that's out.   
   > And, I made an offer on a used compressor on Craigslist over the weekend,   
   > the guy never called back. Guess he doesn't really want to sell the thing.   
      
   Got to spend it on something Fun, right? ;)   
      
   > Since I had the money set aside for those, and didn't spend it, the new   
   > telescope was calling me. Not a pricey thing, just a Celestron 127EQ and   
   > some extra eyepieces.  I'm excited.   
      
   I'd be excited too! That's a nice little NR scope! Nice and compact, and the   
   GE mount is cool, complete with setting circles, sort of ;) but readable,   
   and manual slow motion controls for RA and DEC - I wonder if they have a   
   clock drive upgrade option....and a 5" mirror and f ratio just a little more   
   towards deep sky objects than the usual all purpose scope, which is usually   
   f 8...all for $170, unless you're getting it for even less - sounds like a   
   pretty decent deal in any case...kind of makes me want to get something to   
   look at the sky with...like a Meade LX200 ;) Nope, a dual manual clonewheel   
   organ comes first ;) Then, after enough gigs, I'll be able to afford the   
   scope I really want ;)   
      
   > to each their own.   
      
   Dedicated purpose built test equipment is what I'm used to and feel most   
   confident with.   
      
   > The issue isn't whether I can know what the level is, it's that someone in   
   > the band will then argue over how loud we SHOULD be playing. Can you say "   
   > the drummer " ?   
      
   > Remember, the base problem is one or more of these things   
      
   But when you've got it Measured, that's the end of the arguments, because   
   there are now Specific and Precise Figures to work with.   
      
   > - someone can't hear ( ear damage they refuse to accept   
   > - they LIKE loud, and don't care about the ausience.   
      
   They can get a hearing  aid and *personally* crank up *their* volume that   
   only they can hear!   
      
   > since talking to them hasn't worked, why would having specific numbers   
   > work ?  It won't.   Theis is just for us, those of us left with some level   
   > of normal hearing and some concern for what the audience wants.   
      
   Because specific numbers Removes the controversy by Transferring it from the   
   Subjective, to the  Objective, where Only FACTS matter!   
      
   > The world moves on.   
      
   Sure does - TO HELL IN A HANDBASKET!!!   
      
   Which means that I'm not planning on moving there with it!!!   
      
   > Microprocessors are being used everywhere they can be.   
      
   But if they don't *have* to be, then they Shouldn't!   
      
   > Might as well adjust.   
      
   I do, by NOT GOING ALONG WITH IT!   
      
   > Hey, there's a thought, I could built a dedicated SPL meter from and   
   > Aurduino.   Or, I could just load a nice app onto an old iPhone and get   
   > all that already done and working.   
      
      
   Jim   
      
   There's an old saying, perhaps you might remember it : Jack of all trades,   
   Master of NONE. That's basically the direction Digital Idolatry has been   
   going for quite some time now. In other words, there are places where   
   computers DON'T BELONG...like in cars!   
      
   The first pneumatic tire was made 129 years ago!   
   Which means for the last 129 years, the misery and nuisance of flat tires   
   has been a regular and constant annoyance in the practice of road travel -   
   lt's see *technology* address THAT!!! WHERE IT'S TRULY NEEDED!!! NOT WHERE   
   IT ISN'T NEEDED!!!   
      
   Any Idiot can, and so very many do, bring *technology*, mostly in the form   
   of computers, Stupidly to bear where it's not only not needed, but where it   
   will result in reliability-robbing overcomplexity and additional expense -   
   but what about Totally Eliminating the plagues inherent in 129 year old   
   technology? Now That's another matter, one that requires Thinking, of real   
   persons!   
   NOW let's see what 'modern' 'technology' can do about That - but don't hold   
   your breath waiting - because it would have already taken 129 years ;) So   
   much for so-called 'progress'.   
      
   In other words, there's technology that we actually Do Need...which we   
   mostly don't get, and then there's technology that we actually Don't need at   
   all...which we're being inundated with constantly - I call that Unfair, to   
   say the very least!   
      
   Ouisie   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)