From: someone@anywheret.net   
      
   "JimD"  wrote in message news:2017092022472079330-email@nowherecom...   
      
   > I though I heard some extra layers here and there in the video. Didn't   
   > bother me. I don't care.  Do what you want.  If you like the sound, then   
   > use the tools available. I'm not a purist.   
      
   It bothered me plenty...because I heard the keyboard player doing a lead   
   'guitar'-like solo with his right hand while operating the clavinet's whammy   
   bar with his left, and yet there was clearly the sound of an acoustic piano   
   that NO ONE was apparently playing...and I don't dig that at all!   
      
   > Confusing.  Sometimes playing covers is ok, other times it's not.   
      
   Covers will always be around, and I've never knocked playing covers, but   
   playing ONLY the material of other, Real artists, is what's Thoroughly   
   Disgusting!   
      
   > Anything you come up with that sounds good .......  is good.   
      
   That's precisely what I'm looking for, what sounds good.   
      
   > This reminds me of something our " drummer " said, says, now and then when   
   > I'm using the midi guitar for something. He'll comment that it doesn't   
   > sound like a real sax, like if I'm using a sax patch on some old 50's   
   > tune.  That leaves me speechless.   It  * IS * a real sax, or at least   
   > samples done from one, so what exactly is he not hearing that makes it not   
   > a real sax.   
      
   He's absolutely right. It CAN'T sound like a real sax unless its ADSR   
   envelope realistically resembles that of a real sax.   
   I have some sax, brass, and woodwind voices on my DX7 and they don't sound   
   like the real thing either...UNLESS I get the  accessory designed to plug   
   into the DX7's jack designed precisely for it, and that's a BREATH   
   CONTROLLER!   
      
   The breath controller allows the player to blow into it while playing the   
   keys, which then Realistically modulates the ADSR envelope using the   
   player's breath just as one's breath gives a real saxophone its   
   characteristic sound.   
      
   > It's guitar system triggering professionally done recorded samples of a   
   > sax.  It is, for all reasonable puropses a real sax. Or as close as you   
   > can come when hearing one thru a pa.   
      
   If you can use a breath controller to modulate it, then it'll sound a Lot   
   more like the genuine article.   
      
   > Maybe it's the articulation he's missing.  Thing there is, it's the   
   > articulation I'd use if I were playing a real sax. Maybe he's missing all   
   > the honk squeakness ( Zappa quote ) of live sax players ? I think really,   
   > it's all in his head.  He see's that it's a guitar, and that's all it   
   > takes for him to not like it.   
      
   A breath controller would definitely help in that area.   
      
   > Your dude on the video was really good at sounding guitar like.  And so   
   > that's all there is to say. He's real good.   
      
      
   Jim   
      
   I was very impressed with what he does, and I'm using some of it as a guide   
   for my keyboard sound set up.   
      
   Ouisie   
      
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