From: someone@anywheret.net   
      
   "JimD"  wrote in message news:2017092321474236964-email@nowherecom...   
      
   > yep, computers are out there .....   
      
   That's not the  problem.   
      
   > kinda sad, huh.   
      
   Not sad, Tragic, when they're used to PHONY-up the sound!!!   
      
   > Doesn't bother me at all. Sometimes I go back and listen to old songs by   
   > bands link Cream, or Hendrix ... and guess what ?  I notice there are more   
   > than 3 instruments playing at a time on many of those songs.   
      
   That's because they were recorded in the studio instead of out in the real   
   world...which usually results in comments after a Live concert to the effect   
   that they sounded better on the studio album, because that trickery doesn't   
   work very will Live.   
      
   > Cream tunes that have rhythm parts and lead guitar going at the same time.   
      
   Makes for Disappointment when hearing the band Live, but hey, if that's what   
   want, they can have it...BUT I SURE WON'T!!!   
      
   > Yet, there they are on the cover, 3 dudes.  More than that on the songs,   
   > but 3 on the album cover.  Who ya gonna believe, the cover art or your own   
   > stinkin' ears ?   
      
   Like I always, "The  Ears have it"!   
   But that also applies to Live performances, when the studio Fakery doesn't   
   work, and the ears get Disappointed!   
      
   > I guess adding one more thing might make the difference.   
      
   NO ONE playes a Real saxophone without Blowing into it, and that results in   
   a critical signature element of its sound.   
      
   > But my ears aren't hearing any difference now, and I've spent many a year   
   > standing on stage right beside real live human sax players. Not every   
   > player " articulates " the same. Some honk and squeak a lot, some play   
   > nice and smooth.   
      
   Just initiating sound i.e. intonating on a saxophone Requires the use of the   
   player's breath.   
      
   > All that would convince me the drummer can tell the difference would be a   
   > blind test. One where he tried to tell me playing a defined line from a   
   > sax guy playing that same line, without him being able to see which was   
   > which. He's have to use just his ears.  I don't believe he could do it.   
      
   > A Turing text for synths :-)   
      
   I just call it "A-B'ing it ;)   
      
   > It already sounds exactly like the genuine article, less, I suppose some   
   > sort of quirky finger noises on the valves, or breath sounds between notes   
   > or something like that.  Maybe the rasping of spit as it splats and rolls   
   > around inside the horn ?   
      
   That's kind of interesting, must be that the breath intonation (A)ttack of   
   the ADSR envelope is being automatically generated, but that also means not   
   being able to adjust and otherwise modulate that parameter.   
      
   > I would, but there's this thing called the " law of diminshing returns ".   
   > It already sounds exactly like a sax.  How much more saxlike does it need   
   > to be for live work ?   
      
   If it's already 'inserting' the simulation of breath intonation, and that's   
   enough for you, then I guess you're already there.   
   My DX7 doesn't do that - it  needs the  breath controller for realism, but   
   that's okay because then I'll be able to produce breath effects while   
   playing, which is all the  more realistic.   
      
   > Yeah, our drummer hears the difference, especially when he's looking right   
   > at me playing the parts on a guitar, and realizing he doesn't like the   
   > computer that's generating the sound ?  Think there's any bias on his part   
   > ?   
      
   The best way to rule out bias is with a 'blind' test...unless he's already   
   somewhat deaf ;)   
      
   > Nah, that couldn't be part of it.  Could it :-)   
      
   It could, so a test would be a good idea.   
      
   > That was an impressive video.  Lots of talent there.   
      
   Jim   
      
   Yeah, he can sure jam, and I plan to be doing  something similar with the   
   DX7.   
      
   Ouisie   
      
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