From: someone@anywheret.net   
      
   "JimD"  wrote in message news:2017101010060786641-email@nowherecom...   
      
   > Flecher Munson ....   
      
   The "Fletcher-Munson curves" are only averages and therefore reflect, more   
   or less, general response and thus cannot be applied Individually.   
   I used them only for establishing a sort of baseline starting point...which   
   is why the final phase were always Individual listening tests in our   
   soundroom.   
      
   > Yesterday we played a nice duo gig. Volume was FAR more under control.   
      
   All Right!!! That's more like it! It should Always be like  that!   
      
   > I noticed something.  During one of my little guitar breaks, the guitar   
   > reminded me of how my guitars sounded when I was a kid and still had good   
   > hearing. Specifically, it reminded me of the sound when we were doing live   
   > TV shows. Those tv studios were really serious about us not blowing the   
   > walls out :-)   
      
   Seems like your hearing may be a lot better than you may have previously   
   suspected...particularly in view of the fact that we were NEVER intended to   
   actually *listen* to overcranked Dangerously loud sound levels!   
      
   Being a keyboard player and as is almost always the case with keyboard   
   players, playing piano a lot more than other keys, I Always want to Clearly   
   hear ALL 88 keys - the full range of the instrument!   
      
   > In order to hear " powerful ", nice lows from a sound, you have to stay in   
   > the db range where human ears still hear lows and highs more than just   
   > midrange.  Crank the db's up, and all the nice low end, and all those nice   
   > highs, disappear, replaced by just mids.   
      
   It's Critical to stay within your Individual optimum range of sound levels   
   to hear everything clearly - not too quiet, and Definitely not too   
   loud...it's a delicate balance, one which requires Careful Considerations,   
   which requires Thinking...something the Terminally LAZY IDIOTS aren't   
   interested in doing.   
   The louder and more Dangerously high the sound pressure level, the less the   
   sound sounds like Music and the more it sounds like NOISE...because that's   
   the basic definition of noise...Unwanted sound...and Unpleasant and often   
   downright Painful levels are just that, UNWANTED...it KILLS the  enjoyment,   
   and  the ability to hear...so I'm not at all in hearing ANY Stupid, Lame   
   'excuses' for it!   
      
   > I heard that on my guitar yesterday. At low levels, my ears still perceive   
   > bass as low and bassey.   
      
   Good for you...you've still got your hearing then, which means that over the   
   years, you must have been doing something to take care of it.   
      
   > Crank the volume, and stuff happens.   
      
   Mostly Lots of BAD stuff!   
      
   > Right off you get a temporary threshold shift on the highs .... they   
   > disappear.  After just a few songs, everyone in the place has muffled high   
   > end perception.  Highs are gone.   
      
   There are powerful psychological effects too - the discomfort of the less   
   Music and more Noise situation is totally CounterProductive to *listening*   
   and enjoying it! You're under ATTACK and psychological responses adjust to   
   that situation instead...BUMMER!!!   
      
   > On the low end, as the volume cranks, all those nice lows get replaced by   
   > overbearing mids.  Fletcher Munson effect.   
      
   I like to call it in general terms, the psychology of sensation, in this   
   instance specifically, it's psychoacoustics, which probably forms most if   
   not practically all of the Fletcher-Munson other than the baseline, and   
   probably a lot of that too...which is why, just like with everything else,   
   it's Critical to consider Individual responses.   
      
   > Yep. That's very likely the cause.  If you'd have complimented them, you'd   
   > still be on the mailing list :-)   
      
   If I'd have complimented them, either I'd be a LIAR, or, we'd have a   
   Competent person running the mixer...but since neither of those conditions   
   are true, I complained ;)   
      
   > Full time musician.  It was almost like that was our job :-)   It was.   
      
   Nothing  wrong with that!   
      
   > I only updated one of my computers.  See how it works, whether it's worth   
   > the bother.  Mostly, what is it gonna break ?   
      
   That's why I just don't understand why anyone, having something that works,   
   would even so much as considering doing something to it, i.e. 'upgrading' it   
   and risk it not working as a Direct Result!   
   To say the very least, there's No Incentive to take those NEEDLESS risks!   
      
   > They put them in serious cases.  And, they do break them.  But unlike me,   
   > they don't care  .... they generally don't pay for theirs.   
      
   Those phone company crews put their tablets through quite a lot of   
   roughness...I'd sure like to see one of those serious cases, because that   
   could make a critical difference.   
      
   > Light rain today. No matter, I'm doing a duo gig, leaving in less than an   
   > hour ... so it can rain away.   
      
   Jim   
      
   I've got a gig Friday night...all that driving and then play a couple of   
   hours later...I can't wait until I'm only doing gigs and don't have to drive   
   anymore!   
      
   Ouisie   
      
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