From: someone@anywheret.net   
      
   "JimD"  wrote in message news:2017112013482545184-email@nowherecom...   
      
   > hopefully those new ear plugs will save you from ear ringing next time you   
   > play with the bad band.  Did I say bad band ?  Yes I did.  I've decided   
   > that bands that play too loud are just that, bad bands. Call 'em as I see   
   > 'em.   
      
   You're far too kind ;) They're STUPID IDIOTS!   
      
   > Band girl and I had a discussion this morning about our sat night gig,   
   > about the drummer and issues he was having with his headphones.  Yes, he's   
   > using big ol' headphones as monitors.  She doesn't undertand why, since   
   > one of the pa cabs was right there, about 6 feet from him, and angled so   
   > he could easily hear it. Those two cabs, one on each side were all her and   
   > I had to hear from. No floor wedges, no amps, just those. We could hear   
   > fine. Her question was why couldn't he ?   If we weren't using tracks, and   
   > using this same setup, he'd not use headphones, and would be just fine. So   
   > what gives ?   
      
   Perhaps he needs better sonic definition because you've added the sounds of   
   other instruments and that can sometimes sound confusing.   
      
   > The headphones are because he won't use IEM's.  Yet, he want's to hear the   
   > rest of us at a level far above what her or I can tolerate.  So the   
   > headphones. But, then he just plays louder than they will go, and says he   
   > can't hear them.   
      
   Then that must be what he wants becausse if he didn't, he wouldn't play so   
   loudly in the first place.   
      
   > Circle circle circle ... give him more monitor level, he plays louder and   
   > then wants more monitor level ...   
      
   He'll have to work that problem out himself, particularly since he's the one   
   who's making it.   
      
   > Why can't he just take them off and play ?  Good question. I could.  Of   
   > course I'd let off the drums a little until I could hear the rest of the   
   > band. For what it's worth, we're not playing at some whisper level. We're   
   > as loud onstage as any band I've ever been in.   
      
   When I play, I turn down until I can hear everyone and myself. If they turn   
   up, I'll turn up, but only a little because I have a limit beyond which I   
   won't get any louder and if the  audience can't hear me, it's the fault of   
   those who turned up too much.   
      
   > Oh, and on break I was out talking to a guy from another band. He was   
   > talking about amps and this and that.  Obviously he see's we don't use   
   > any, rely on the pa. He was talking about his band and their amps and   
   > floor wedges and how everyone just sorta plays at whatever level they "   
   > feel " ... and it all settles in on some compromise level after a bit.   
   > Which he agreed was at the point where no one could get any louder and the   
   > vocals were totally buried.  I ask didn't he worry about his hearing ?   
   > Nope, said he was told years ago he needed hearing aids ( from where he   
   > worked in heavy construction ). But he didn't care and could hear the band   
   > just fine. Said it sounded good to him onstage, once he got his amp all   
   > cranked up.   
      
      
   > What is there to say to something like that ?   
      
   Only this, he clearly doesn't care that he's going deaf, and probably   
   doesn't care that the Victims of his overcranking probably are too. That's   
   why I've got the ear plugs, but not so I can play with such IDIOTS, but   
   rather so that if I should find myself being Assaulted by them, I'll be   
   prapared for that worst case condition - the best case condition is not to   
   waste my time with such clowns!   
      
   > Oh, back to our drummer and why he needs, but doesn't like headphones ?   
   > It's a simple thing. When we use tracks, he has to PLAY with US. He has to   
   > stay with the tracks.  He doesn't like that. He want's to play and have us   
   > follow him.  With the tracks, he's having to stay with them. He hates   
   > that.  And that is the core issue with the monitors.  He wants to free   
   > form play, and have us follow him. In that situation he doesn't need to   
   > hear anything much other than the singer. He does seem to follow the   
   > vocals a little.   
      
   I follow the entire band, constantly adjusting for any problems...it's   
   stressful to say the  least.   
      
   > It's not the tracks that are the issue. It's him playing WITH anyone else   
   > that's the issue.  He'd have the same problem if we had a real good rock   
   > solid live bassist.  One who wouldn't speed up or jump time with him.   
   > Same thing would happen. What he expects, and what he's had in the past   
   > are sloppy poor bassists who WILL give up and go with him   
   > when he wanders off tempo or skips time. The computer won't. And that's   
   > the bottom of the problem. Monitors and all that are side issues. The   
   > problem is he's erratic and my tracks aren't. Oh, and he plays louder >   
   > than our setup will allow, if he actually wants to hear anyone but   
   > himself.   
      
   > Why are we still working with this guy ?   
      
      
   Jim   
      
   Maybe you could get the computer to read a mic and adjust the tempo to the   
   drummer. That would be an interesting experiment.   
   Then you could take turns and start changing the tempo and let the  drummer   
   follow you and see how much fun it is ;)   
      
   Ouisie   
      
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