From: someone@anywheret.net   
      
   "JimD"  wrote in message news:2017112023200467903-email@nowherecom...   
      
   > Maybe.  He complains that all he wants to hear is the bass.  Catch is, the   
   > " bass " doesn't play all the time in every song we do. And sometimes it's   
   > playing off the beat, syncopation. And sometimes we don't use the computer   
   > at all.   
      
   > What's he gonna listen to then ?   
      
   He'll just have to learn to lead off sometimes ;)   
      
   > By the way, we have actually tried that, and as I expected it doesn't work   
   > reliably.  Sure, he can play with only hearing the bass on about 80% of   
   > our songs. Then along comes one where the bass doesn't play in the first   
   > verse ( acoustic guitar and vocals only ) and he's screwed.  Of course,   
   > that situation doesn't occur to him, because in almost all live bar bands,   
   > it would never occur to the bassist to stop and let a verse play without   
   > bass.   
      
   He probably Loves playing bass, but it's easy to remedy the aforementioned   
   situation by choosing songs that always have the bass playing in them.   
      
   > Listen to an original recording of Mony Mony.  Tell me what the bass is   
   > doing when it's not playing.  What would the drummer be listening to at   
   > that point to stay with the tracks ?   Nothing.  It's just drums in some   
   > parts.  So what would he be listening to to stay in time ?   
      
   He'll have to remember the tempo and keep it ;)   
      
   > Nothing. So he'll wander out of time, and the bass will start again right   
   > on the beat and they won't match.   
      
   Sounds like they Really Need to be Practicing more.   
      
   > Again, live bands playing that old song will play the bass thru the entire   
   > thing.  No way they'd let up. At least none of the bar level bassists I've   
   > ever met of would :-)   
      
   There are better versions of "Mony Mony" that have a fuller sound than Tommy   
   James' relative empty-sounding version does.   
   But I don't care much for that song in any case ;)   
      
   > Our guy thinks the bass plays on the beat ( not sycopated ) and that it   
   > plays all the time.  He's not a bassist, he just thinks that for some   
   > reason. I try to explain, but he's old and set in his ways.   
      
   Maybe he should work on syncopated styles until he gets it.   
      
   Or how about he has bad hearing.  Hearing loss.   Whatever you'd call   
   it.  He can't hear until it's WAY TOO LOUD for anyone with reasonable   
   ears.   
      
   > old, set in his ways, not gonna happen.   
      
   The word is LIMITED, and That's the  Problem with Music nowadays.   
      
   > Some big band years back had a setup that did that .... Phil Collins seems   
   > be be what I remember. Someone I know saw him live and talked about their   
   > setup.  It was a system that " followed " the drummer to a degree. If he   
   > sped up or slowed down, the system playing any additional instrument   
   > tracks ( or controlling lights ) would also.   
      
   > My problem with that is .... what's the point ?   
      
   If anyone in the band goes off tempo, everyone else will adjust to prevent   
   an obvious train wreck.   
      
   > If you really want to play like that, hire a live bassist or whatever, and   
   > let the tempo wander all over the place. Be happy.   
      
   Or everyone stop adjusting to prevent a train wreck and keep the tempo ;)   
      
   > This reminds me of issues that came up in aviation when they started   
   > adding automation to the cockpit. Old pilots didn't learn on that stuff,   
   > didn't understand or trust it, and many a plane crash resulted. I'd guess   
   > that effect has mostly gone away as those guys aged and left. Younger   
   > pilots grew up with autopilots and digital displays and don't fight it.   
      
      
   Jim   
      
   Big difference! Autopilots have been around for a long time now - and every   
   now and then, there are still Dangerous problems with them, mostly in the   
   form of not being sure whether it's engaged or disengages, a very dangerous   
   situation.   
   And unlike this silly idea of one technology somehow 'invalidating' an   
   earlier technology, in aviation, new and old technologies are often used   
   together to enhance safety...along with training and practice in the 'old   
   fashioned' technique of "hand flying" the airplane instead of using the   
   autopilot.   
   As for large digital monitor displays, commonly known as a "glass cockpit",   
   they are very easy to use, particularly to see, and the HSI (Horizontal   
   Situation Indicator), if very intuitive and easy to read.   
   Only digital part I have a problem with is FADEC (Full Authority Digital   
   Engine Control). It's the  equivalent of an autopilot that canNOT be shut   
   off. I'd rather see it replaced with something like DADEC , with the D   
   standing for DELEGATED because computers, and for that matter, ANY other   
   machines, are Slaves, NOT Masters! In other words, they should Always have   
   an OFF switch!!!   
      
   Ouisie   
      
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