From: someone@anywheret.net   
      
   "JimD"  wrote in message news:2018040400272437481-email@nowherecom...   
      
   > As I said in the other reply, the bands future looks very uncertain.  I'm   
   > not gonna play as loud as we have been, and they are telling me they can't   
   > hear the music.  They need more monitor level. I say, then bring some, or,   
   > use the in ears. I don't own any wedges anymore. Left them at last band   
   > rehearsal hall, as I've said.  That band was so loud I never wanted to   
   > play that way again, and so figured I didn't need the wedges anymore.   
      
   You could have traded them for some gear...or mounted them to use as mains,   
   I'm sure they were big enough ;)   
      
   > How about in ears ?  They say those will ( fill in the blank with some   
   > imagined complaint ).  But they also admit wedges will just make drummer   
   > play louder. Which it will.  He'll play at whatever level it takes to   
   > drown out nearly everything, no matter how we set the stage level. More   
   > monitors, he'll hit harder.  And that - is - simply - a fact.   
      
   It appears that the number one issue with IEMs is about comfort wearing   
   them.   
      
   > Since going out and watching a friends band a few days ago, having my ears   
   > assaulted, and seeing several people put pieces of napkins in their ears   
   > .... really, I saw two people do that .....  and having to put my own head   
   > against the back of the booth I was in an attempt to not fry my ear that   
   > was towards the band ... I'm pretty locked in on this volume thing.   
      
   I wholeheartedly agree. There's NO PLACE for DANGEROUS levels...and there   
   are NO EXCUSES for then either!!!   
      
   > What kind of amazes me is the total stupidity of it.  I really am amazed   
   > that some musicians really don't have any grasp at all how self   
   > destructive it is to just see how absolutely loud they can play.  It's   
   > almost like they can't hear.  Like they've burnt their ears.  Which,   
   > actually, is pretty much the case.  And they don't have a clue what they   
   > sound like to people with anything like normal hearing.   
      
   Their own STUPIDITY has made then Deaf, and if they continue, they will   
   become Totally Deaf...but that's THEIR PROBLEM - they have NO RIGHT to   
   INFLICT others with the Deafness they STUPIDLY Inflicted upon themselves!!!   
   In other words for those Idiots: DON'T SHARE YOUR STUPIDITY WITH OTHERS!!!   
      
   > Letting some musicians go crazy on the volume is like if you had a bunch   
   > of drunk drivers decide what the speed limit on the highway should be.   
   > They will keep going faster until they crash. Or with bands, until no one   
   > will go out and watch live music anymore.   
      
   I couldn't care less how much they Stupidly Want to hurt themselves, BUT NOT   
   OTHERS!!!   
      
   > I'd been out of the live BAND game since the mid 80's. Only got back into   
   > it about 5 years ago to help out my singer friend.  After many decades of   
   > solo work, I'd completely forgotten how totally idiotic bands can be about   
   > volume. Well, I've had the lesson brought home to me in spades over the   
   > last year or so.   
      
   That's another idea for another important question to ask: "HOW MUCH of your   
   Hearing to you still have?"   
      
   If, as they say " if it's too loud, you're too old ", well then, I'm   
   too old. And proud of it :-)   
      
   Jim   
      
   If it's too loud, you still have your hearing, no matter what your age!!!   
      
   Ouisie   
      
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