From: litewave99@gmail.com   
      
   On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 8:31:37 PM UTC+1, a_rod_777 wrote:   
   > On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 12:24:46 PM UTC-6, litewave wrote:   
   > > On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 5:44:08 PM UTC+1, a_rod_777 wrote:   
   > > > On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 2:59:14 PM UTC-6, litewave wrote:   
   > > > >    
   > > > > But reality consists of things and mathematical/logical relations   
   between them, which I think gives rise to two distinct ways of experiencing   
   reality: emphasis on things and emphasis on relations. One is a holistic   
   feeling while the other is a    
   structural analysis. Feeling is emphasized in art, religion and spirituality;   
   analysis in logic, mathematics and science.   
   > > >    
   > > > Does it? Or is that simply a paradigm of interpretation that has been   
   programmed into your consciousness?   
   > > >    
   > > > On a quantum level it becomes quite difficult to describe "things" or   
   exact mathematical relationships. In fact, if quantum physicists delve deep   
   enough into the functions of matter, our notion of logic breaks down so   
   completely that the fabric of    
   time and space cease to exist as anything we can recognize as physical reality.   
   > >    
   > > Mathematics of quantum mechanics is precise, but it doesn't allow us to   
   derive (predict) the outcome of a measurement from prior conditions, only   
   possible outcomes and their probabilities. Many-worlds interpretation says   
   that all possible outcomes    
   are real but we don't know which outcome exists in that part of reality in   
   which we live. We simply have to look around (interact with our environment)   
   to find that out. You may know the whole reality but in order to find out   
   where you are placed in    
   reality and which person is you, you have to look around.   
   > >    
   > > Spacetime may fluctuate or be twisted all it wants but in the end it is   
   still a precisely defined mathematical structure and logic doesn't break down.   
   Logic is simply non-contradiction. If logic broke down, it wouldn't break   
   down, see?   
   >    
   > Your view of logic is far to fixated on the ideas that have been programmed   
   into your mind. We have human logic and we have Universal logic. Human logic   
   does and always will indeed break down as it is limited and finite. It can be   
   no other way.   
   >    
   > Universal logic cannot be said to "break down" or "not break down" for it is   
   beyond the scope of our awareness and understanding. It is simply not   
   attainable. This is a truth inherent within all of us and plainly obvious.   
   Anyone who tells you    
   differently is trying to sell you something.   
      
   Then I'm talking about universal logic. I don't even know what you mean by   
   "human logic".   
      
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