From: a_rod_777@yahoo.com   
      
   On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 2:40:36 PM UTC-6, litewave wrote:   
   > On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 8:31:37 PM UTC+1, a_rod_777 wrote:   
   > > On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 12:24:46 PM UTC-6, litewave wrote:   
   > > > On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 5:44:08 PM UTC+1, a_rod_777 wrote:   
   > > > > On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 2:59:14 PM UTC-6, litewave wrote:   
   > > > > >    
   > > > > > But reality consists of things and mathematical/logical relations   
   between them, which I think gives rise to two distinct ways of experiencing   
   reality: emphasis on things and emphasis on relations. One is a holistic   
   feeling while the other is a    
   structural analysis. Feeling is emphasized in art, religion and spirituality;   
   analysis in logic, mathematics and science.   
   > > > >    
   > > > > Does it? Or is that simply a paradigm of interpretation that has been   
   programmed into your consciousness?   
   > > > >    
   > > > > On a quantum level it becomes quite difficult to describe "things" or   
   exact mathematical relationships. In fact, if quantum physicists delve deep   
   enough into the functions of matter, our notion of logic breaks down so   
   completely that the fabric    
   of time and space cease to exist as anything we can recognize as physical   
   reality.   
   > > >    
   > > > Mathematics of quantum mechanics is precise, but it doesn't allow us to   
   derive (predict) the outcome of a measurement from prior conditions, only   
   possible outcomes and their probabilities. Many-worlds interpretation says   
   that all possible outcomes    
   are real but we don't know which outcome exists in that part of reality in   
   which we live. We simply have to look around (interact with our environment)   
   to find that out. You may know the whole reality but in order to find out   
   where you are placed in    
   reality and which person is you, you have to look around.   
   > > >    
   > > > Spacetime may fluctuate or be twisted all it wants but in the end it is   
   still a precisely defined mathematical structure and logic doesn't break down.   
   Logic is simply non-contradiction. If logic broke down, it wouldn't break   
   down, see?   
   > >    
   > > Your view of logic is far to fixated on the ideas that have been   
   programmed into your mind. We have human logic and we have Universal logic.   
   Human logic does and always will indeed break down as it is limited and   
   finite. It can be no other way.   
   > >    
   > > Universal logic cannot be said to "break down" or "not break down" for it   
   is beyond the scope of our awareness and understanding. It is simply not   
   attainable. This is a truth inherent within all of us and plainly obvious.   
   Anyone who tells you    
   differently is trying to sell you something.   
   >    
   > Then I'm talking about universal logic. I don't even know what you mean by   
   "human logic".   
      
   Universal logic encompasses worlds, realms and dimensions we cannot possibly   
   fathom, thus by default you are speaking in and about human logic and   
   reasoning. Being human you have no choice.   
      
   All we can say about Universal logic is that we "cannot say".   
      
   There simply comes a point in reasoning where we must admit that our notion of   
   reasoning does not apply any further. Only by recognizing that all paradoxes   
   are reconciled on higher planes of higher reasoning can we ever hope to become   
   aware of the    
   ability to reason higher.   
      
   One cannot achieve that which one cannot conceive.   
      
   But enough with the mystical mumbo jumbo.    
   To those who disbelieve, no proof will ever suffice.    
   To those who believe, no proof is necessary.   
   Regardless, the show must go on...   
      
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3DyR9QxfTo   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)