From: a_rod_777@yahoo.com   
      
   On Friday, March 30, 2018 at 2:13:05 AM UTC-6, litewave wrote:   
   > On Friday, March 30, 2018 at 3:28:23 AM UTC+2, Eric Vinyard wrote:   
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   > > Even particles that supposedly blink in and out of existence come from the   
   fabric of spacetime - whatever that even "is".   
   >   
   > Spacetime is a mathematical structure. And moreover, for particles to appear   
   in spacetime there must be laws of quantum mechanics, which are something too.   
   Without the laws of QM particles would not appear.   
      
   Your ego is overshadowing the simple fact that our system of mathematics is   
   largely incomplete and does not include simple fundamental laws of mentality   
   which are an intricate part of the Universe. Yes, there is a definite language   
   that the Universe uses    
   to describe itself, however it is far more complex than the current state of   
   our mathematics could define.   
       
   > > If total nothingness ever was, it would seem to continue to always be.   
   Which contradicts my first statement, obviously.   
   >   
   > Total nothingness seems to be a logically inconsistent state, even if it   
   didn't require someone who would imagine it. If there was totally nothing   
   (meaning there was not anything at all), there would be the fact that there   
   was totally nothing. But a    
   fact is something, a property of reality. So there cannot ever be totally   
   nothing.   
      
   How can I inspire you to understand that the logic you are using to describe   
   your reality is flawed and incomplete? The language you are using to define   
   your notion of reality (mathematics) leaves out fundamental laws that are   
   crucial to becoming aware    
   of the true nature of existence. How can you describe the idea of birds flying   
   in the air to a fish who has been underwater his whole life?   
      
   Here are the facts:   
   What you believe to be physical reality is merely a shadow of the information   
   that is actually existing beyond our limited perception. Your notion of   
   "solid" is merely an illusion formed in and by your mind. The true nature of   
   physicality is in fact not    
   solid at all, but a permeable concept that exists only as pure potential   
   before it is actualized into the illusion of a solid form within the mind and   
   defined by the mind's perimeters which are based on the mind's previous   
   experiences of these illusions.    
      
   This is why when we attempt to pinpoint fundamental particles of reality, we   
   reach the conclusion that they only exist as pure potential and probabilities   
   which must be "measured" before they can assume a definite position or   
   velocity within our illusion    
   of the physical realm.   
      
   Until you can grasp this concept that reality is in fact, not solid at all and   
   exists only as pure potential beyond our senses,  you will forever be stuck on   
   the merry go round of; what came first, the chicken or the egg?   
      
   You have to let go of the Ego's desperate need to intellectualize everything   
   and accept the fact that some concepts in this existence are simply beyond our   
   ability to comprehend.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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