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   litewave to All   
   Re: Keep Talking...   
   31 Mar 18 04:27:26   
   
   From: litewave99@gmail.com   
      
   On Saturday, March 31, 2018 at 1:46:56 AM UTC+2, a_rod_777 wrote:   
   > Your ego is overshadowing the simple fact that our system of mathematics is   
   largely incomplete and does not include simple fundamental laws of mentality   
   which are an intricate part of the Universe. Yes, there is a definite language   
   that the Universe    
   uses to describe itself, however it is far more complex than the current state   
   of our mathematics could define.   
      
   I think that mathematics, like logic, ultimately boils down to the principle   
   of non-contradiction. They both study structures of relations. And qualities   
   of consciousness (feelings) are non-relational objects which we might call   
   "things" or "stuff" that    
   stand in logical/mathematical relations. This would explain why qualities of   
   consciousness have something ineffable about them, something that eludes   
   description (because every description is relational), while at the same time   
   they stand in relations to    
   other things like neurons. In this sense, all things are actually qualities of   
   consciousness, but apparently some things are more conscious than others, for   
   example an animal is more conscious than a plant, a certain portion of the   
   brain is more    
   conscious than a single neuron, or a single person is more conscious than a   
   group of persons as a whole. The level of consciousness seems to depend on the   
   dynamic organized complexity of the thing or what Giulio Tononi calls   
   "integrated information",    
   which means that the thing has many different parts that are also richly   
   causally interconnected.     
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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