From: a_rod_777@yahoo.com   
      
   > What we don't know is just metaphysical details, not ultimate logic.   
   Ultimate logic is just the principle that nothing is both true and not true in   
   the same sense.   
   >    
   > And even regarding methaphysical details, scientists have already gone far   
   beyond what we perceive with 5 senses. Take string theory, which postulates   
   additional space dimensions, which no one has so far perceived. Or take   
   mathematicians, who    
   discovered hierarchies of infinities. The 5 senses won't tell you that some   
   infinities are greater than others, and yet mathematicians have discovered   
   exactly that.   
      
   Yes but they have discovered these things through the windows of the five   
   senses. Anything that has come into our experience through the external   
   physical world has come through the windows of the senses. This is the   
   ultimate truth and there is no way    
   around it.   
      
   We can postulate and reason beyond the five senses, yes, but the variable data   
   used in that reasoning is ultimately contrived from the information we have   
   fundamentally obtained externally through sensory experience.   
      
   We are simply arguing semantics here.    
   What we do not know and are incapable of experiencing in human form is indeed   
   "metaphysical" but it doesn't change the fact that the "metaphysical" is   
   nothing more than unknown variables in an equation that are fundamental to   
   properly understand and    
   ascertain a valid reason.   
      
   Logic is constant throughout the Universe, but within our human awareness it   
   is incomplete and limited. Incomplete equations can only be logically deduced   
   with absolute certainty to a finite point. Without the required variables   
   (omni-awareness) you    
   simply cannot reduce the equation to the ultimate answer. We are left then   
   with only speculation and questions which is the motivating principle of life.   
      
   Further more, modes of logic will change according to the variables we are   
   calculating. For instance: Our mode of logic of time and space, as the average   
   person understands it in their everyday world, no longer applies when we begin   
   to view it through    
   the lenses of the theory of relativity.   
      
   Just because the average person does not understand the theory of relativity   
   does not mean his logic about how long it takes to get from point A to point B   
   is necessarily wrong... it just means it is incomplete; as the theory of   
   relativity states that    
   the closer we get to traveling at the speed of light will dilate the time it   
   takes to get from point A to B. The average person would have no way of being   
   aware of this variable of time dilation unless their awareness was expanded to   
   allow this    
   information to be included into their logic, thereby changing the whole mode   
   of logic they use to conceive of time and space. Before Einstein, the academic   
   world never used a model of logic that included time and space as actually   
   being one and the same.    
   The mode of logic had to be expanded and evolved into a more intricate system   
   of analysis.   
      
   The bottom line is there are to many missing variables to form a logical   
   conclusion about the nature of reality. All we can do is work with what we do   
   know to be fairly certain. When we reach the point where we simply do not have   
   enough information to    
   draw a logical conclusion we must accept that anything is possible from that   
   point forward.   
      
   The logic of the Universal mind IS complete and functions on a much higher   
   plane of awareness then anything we can fathom as humans. A new paradigm of   
   thought is required to make the leap into a new reality of experience. Begin   
   to think "outside the box".   
      
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